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[–] Enkrod 35 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Had this discussion with a friend today, because the Confederation of German Trade Unions (the umbrella-organization of all German Unions), which he works for, and lots of other workers-rights and left-wing organization, along with the Alliance for Peace are having an anti-war-day on September 1st in my region with concerts and demonstrations and stuff.

And some groups (but not all) from that alliance are having a public demonstration for a ceasefire in Gaza (which is good) and in Ukraine (which is bad) where they will criticize the German military help for Ukraine and demand peace with Russia by making Ukraine cede territory to Putin.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I really don't get these people. How can you not see the equivalency?

[–] Enkrod 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

That's what absolutely hits me, I do get these people. Before the Invasion of Ukraine in 2022, I'd be among the lot. I was calling for peace with Russia in the ongoing russo-ukrainian war that started with the invasion of Crimea in 2014.

I still wanted lower expenditure for the military, tighter economic bonds with Russia (which mostly meant german investment in Russia and import of russian natural gas), I was in favor of North Stream II and wanted to ensure peace through economic integration between the EU and Russia. The russian economy should simply rely so much on the european and vice-versa, that war between us or aggressive imperialism by Russia would simply be too expensive for them.

And while I (to this day) carry strong anti-american sentiments, they are grounded in my opposition to imperialism. The difference between them and me is that they will only ever see the West as the imperialists, while basically excusing everything Russia does.

And that I simply can not. I was... unsure about what to think about the russian invasion of Crimea, of course I absolutely detested it... but at the same time I hung on to my strongly pacifist tendencies and hoped that somehow the whole affair could still be settled peacefully.

But with the all-out invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Russia has shown that any lack of opposition will be taken as a sign of weakness by the imperial russian power and an invitation to commence aggression and subjugation. This is unacceptable and Russia can not be allowed to profit from the conflict it started, because that would only encourage further incursions, war and loss of lives in the future.

[–] RidderSport 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In 2022 my man, the war has been going on for more than 2 years already

[–] Enkrod 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Gah, how did that get in there? Thank you

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh gross, centrism is for the weak.

[–] Enkrod 1 points 2 weeks ago

What centrism?

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