Liberals delude themselves as being different simply because they "support" liberation politics but they are simply helpless against the system that forces them to support fascist policies

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

None of you dipshits have any solutions to anything. All you do is make noise. "Don't vote for the Dems" " Okay , then what?" crickets. Gaza getting fucked no matter what is literally just a reason to ignore the lot of you.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Libs just so badly want to be left alone

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

More noise from people too lazy to even attempt to solve literally anything.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I like how you decided to pretend that Leftists don't have any solutions, rather than meaningfully engage with the solutions presented by Leftists.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Leftists have no solutions on Gaza. They just make noise. "Don't vote for anyone who can win and change things" isn't a solution and anyone who isn't a child understands that .

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Depends on where the Leftists are. If you're strictly referring to America, then the Leftist stance is that both the DNC and GOP are aligned on their undying loyalty to Israel as a tool of Imperialism, and therefore neither option presents a pro-Gaza path. Instead, building up revolutionary pressure by supporting anti-Imperialist movements worldwide and organizing domestically outside the bounds of bourgeois electoralism builds pressure. This pressure can be levied against the ruling parties.

Your "solution" is to sacrifice Gaza.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is significant anti-genocide faction within the democratic party that is trying to change things from within. There is nothing like that within the GOP. The only way to stop this (and the broader unconditional support of Israel) is through the democratic party. However small you think the chances of success of that strategy, leftists offer literally zero alternative paths to this outcome that have any chance of success.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is significant anti-genocide faction within the democratic party that is trying to change things from within. There is nothing like that within the GOP. The only way to stop this (and the broader unconditional support of Israel) is through the democratic party.

This is vibes-based. The DNC will not cease support for Israel because the US State needs it for its Imperialist ambitions.

However small you think the chances of success of that strategy, leftists offer literally zero alternative paths to this outcome that have any chance of success.

Why do you believe organizing and building outside pressure has zero chance of success? Why do you think the DNC will magically work against their material interests?

Feel free to come back and apologize when I end up being correct and the DNC never ceases support for Israel without outside pressure and risk of system destabilization.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is vibes-based. The DNC will not cease support for Israel because the US State needs it for its Imperialist ambitions.

They can be made to cease unconditional support for Israel which is the only reason Israel has no incentive to work for peace.

Why do you believe organizing and building outside pressure has zero chance of success?

Probably because you and you guys have never provided a plausible possibility for how that would happen?

Why do you think the DNC will magically work against their material interests?

Unconditional support for Israel can be made to be against the DNC's interests. But you have no interest in that. You just make noise.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

They can be made to cease unconditional support for Israel which is the only reason Israel has no incentive to work for peace.

How and why?

Probably because you and you guys have never provided a plausible possibility for how that would happen?

We have, what do you disagree with?

Unconditional support for Israel can be made to be against the DNC's interests. But you have no interest in that. You just make noise.

Again, how and why? You like to say things that sound nice but you never seem willing to back them up.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Don't like people removed from the sidelines? Make them put their money where their mouth is by passing electoral reform in your state!

Get them off the sidelines and put them in the game! It's so easy right? Force them to show us how it's done by implementing a more representative electoral system such as Ranked Choice voting. Then they can run for public office with no spoiler effect.

Wouldn't you want that? To have them prove it?