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They start very early in the morning (around 9am in Eastern Europe) every day posting, always about Palestine, half the time about how it's all Democrats' fault. They have never called out Republicans for anything. Almost a year of post history doing this. See modlog for their many bans for posting misinformation.
First of all, what the fuck? And second of all, i don’t see why republicans should be brought up when democrats do something wrong. You are using whataboutism to justify… checks notes vetoing an investigation into war crimes and genocide. I don’t see any call to action to vote Republican here. If democrat actors don’t want to be called out for hypocritical evil, then they should not do evil and be hypocritical about it.
I was calling for Biden to step down from the election over how he handled Israel/Palestine, and i was right to do so! You don’t get a free pass to genocide because someone else would have done it harder, or because it happened to some ancestor.
I figured you were a bad faith arguer, now I know for sure. Good job ignoring the facts I presented. Thank God for tags
Sp you support genocide when a Democrat does it? Genocide is alwaus genocide and should be called out regardless of who is doing it.
Trump interfered with the current ceasefire deal.
So, condemn Trump wen?
Trump should be condemned for a million reasons. And there were dozens of posts this week about how he was sabotaging negotiations. But those "peace deals" are basically giving Israel everything they want, including troops along the Gaza/Egypt border, which no one else supports. And there is still zero talk about holding war criminals accountable from the US or Israeli camps.
Nobody cares about this "Trump 1nt3rf1erence!!!!" when biden could impose a cease fire at any time.
Cut off aid? Yes. But pray tell, how would Biden "impose a ceasefire at anytime?"
Frauds should be called out. Linkerbaan cares zero for Palestinians.
Is indicative of a fraud also.
Trump isn't the one shipping military aid to Israel. Trump isn't the one vetoing every UN resolution involving Israeli war crimes. Trump might want Israel to bulldoze over Gaza and the West Bank, but he isn't the one facilitating what is happening there right now. Palestinians dont care who is the president of the US, because either way they get slaughtered while those conducting the genocide go unpunished. We need to call put our current leaders to do the right thing, even if their opposition is going to do an even worse thing.
Unless linkerbaan (and apparently you) succeed
Succeed at what? Calling out the Democrats for doing something evil? Blind support for a political party is what made the GOP the comically evil institution it currently is. Criticism of the Democrats is not support for Trump. You will support the Democrats no matter what, and don't care how many Palestinians have to die to reach your goal. Guess what, Trump has literally nothing to do with what is going on in Palestine right now. Harris needs to win Michigan if she wants to beat Trump, and literally all ahe has to do is start holding Israel accountable and the massive Muslim population around Detroit will support her. She wont lose support among any groups, but will have a massive advantage in one of the key voting groups in the election. But the Democrats don't do that,because they support the genocide as well,they just wish ot was done quietly so no one would be able to call them out on it.
"Never Again!" doesn't have a special clause for if a fascist might win an office, or if a Jewish state is doing the genocide. Anyone who claims otherwise is evil and history will judhe them accordingly.
Electing Trump
Where have i ever said i want Trump reelected? I want to hild the Democrats to a high standard above "don't do genocide" is all.
You are mad that I called this fucker out for literally never giving a shit about republican attitude/action no matter how relevant it is.
If we're doing to do the Q&A thing, you can start by answering: Why it is acceptable that they never hold any republican accountable? Why do they ignore the very real notion that Trump has promised to be WAY worse, and recently renewed such promises? You and they cannot answer this because your entire goal here requires you to ignore it.
Inb4 "the democrats are in power"
It is bullshit and you know it. The democrats do not control the House, just as one piece of why it is.
You going to substantiate that, or…?
Doubt it. All they want to do is fight
Facts? Ignore? I didn’t ignore them. I dismissed them. You claimed that he posts at what would be 9am in eastern Europe. I assume you are alluding to russia? Ok? I post at 11:00 at night sometimes too. And it’s irrelevant. Anyone can call out our blatant hypocrisy.
As for the claim i am not arguing in good faith … are you?! You seem to be Dutch Ruddering with ~~givesomefucks~~ chronostriggerwarrning. You claim the OP is pro harming Palestine because he… is upset that a Biden official was ordered to block an investigation into Israel’s obvious genocide of Palestinians…. And then declare here is a plant who is trying to back… Trump, who’s stance is to show Israel “how its really done”. You know that makes you sound deranged, yea?
I had to look up what this weird shit even is. Uh, so yeah, I'm totally sexually gratifying someone who just banned me for calling out the fraud.
Well you are right in that i got the wrong rudder mate. I meant to say chronostriggerwarning, not givesomefucks. Givesomefucks at least had an argument. You on the other hand avoid arguments like the plague. You refuse to make one, and you refuse to argue against one. And at this point I’m going to make the assumption thats because your position is untenable.
If I addressed every bad faith argument, it would be an 80 hour a week job.
Do you even know what an argument is?
I never made an argument, bad faith or otherwise. You committed an ad hominem attack on the OP, refused to argue against any of his points. Then did repeated cringe high fives with your rudder mate.
The only thing i did was call you out for doing so, by asking for justification for why you are attacking the character of the OP. If you want to claim that request is too burdensome, that’s fine by me, as that’s a reflection on your character, and was what i was highlighting in the first place. So well done on that.
This is a bad faith argument alone. It's a way of dismissing a valid concern about a person's long history of doing something. You're pretending I have to re-prove it every time someone says I do but I'm under zero obligation to be sealioned.
No, what you did was text book ad hominem attack. In the literal sense. The only way to revert that is to justify why the character of the OP is important to his argument. Which you never successfully did. You alluded that he could be a Russian plant, that’s why he’s against Biden, because of the time he posts.
If you had, say evidence that he posted on conservative instances in a way that is pro trump…. Or pro Israel… or what have you… it still would not make the argument he made invalid. And you would still be guilty of an ad hominem attack.
The argument that Biden directed a veto preventing the investigation into Israel is fact and is damning in its own, even if made by a supposed trumper.
I don't care. The source of info is relevant, as are their clear ulterior motives.
How? How is it relevant?
Is it not true that Biden directed the Vetos?
Is it not true that after Vetoing investigation into genocide, calling on others to act on the charge of stopping others from feeling the hell that is war, is hypocritical?
Then it’s not a bad faith argument. They could have ulterior motives for making it, but it’s still 100% true. And it’s especially bad when your evidence for this ad hominem attack is as piss poor as what time he posts.
The thing is that the Dems are in power right now. I don't have to criticise the AfD everytime the SPD or FDP say that the lives of refugees don't matter to them because everyone knows that they want the same thing but worse and they aren't in power yet.
Just because someone else is worse doesn't mean that you can't be criticised for your own actions.
The thing is that OP has a history of never caring about what Trump does/would do. Refuses to ever acknowledge it matters and it does matter.
Dems have the Whitehouse and the Senate, so they're not really "in power." That's 1.5 branches of government at most.
Trump allegedly interfered with a ceasefire deal for his own political gain. Sending supplies, or actively torpedoing a ceasefire deal? Which is higher on the old "this is fucked up" totem pole..? Why no condemnation? Loudly screeching about one and actively ignoring the other reeks of agenda.
Who do you think is choosing to veto these UN resolutions? The House? No these people are appointed by the Executive, which is controlled by Biden.
Blame correctly laid! Congrats! "The Dems control the govt" is patently false, however.
lmao. You don't think biden is doing the same thing? Dude could have imposed a cease fire at any point but it would upset his genocidal cult.
Biden can't "impose a ceasefire at any point" in a country he doesn't run. Do you need a puppet show to get that?