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[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know if this is really a “so broken” instance. /bin and /usr/bin (or sbin) have never been well separated, to the point where many distributions just symlink to /usr anyway. If you don’t want an initramfs to provide binaries you need them somewhere accessible.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

/bin and /usr/bin (or sbin) have never been well separated, to the point where many distributions just symlink to /usr anyway.

They were(see FHS) and you show exactly how broken it became.

/usr supposed to have files that are needed only after first part of boot procees before mounting filesystems.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 months ago

They were defined sure, but without distribution adherence they weren’t actually, this has been the case for a long time. Out of all the distributions, Gentoo is probably one of the most sensitive to this issue since most others have used initramfs or initrd for decades and Gentoo has always made it optional.

If the post was about FHS adherence I’d agree more.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

that was a workaround, not needed anymore, so let them die

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And use bigger bandaid. Meanwhile initramfs and split-usr would greatly complement each other.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

of course not, any program that has it own install script install it on /bin because it's easier, and why need that in a early boot, what's the difference, was always a workaround, wasn't needed to complement anything before, and don't need anything now