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A Milwaukee woman has been jailed for 11 years for killing the man that prosecutors said had sex trafficked her as a teenager. 

The sentence, issued on Monday, ends a six-year legal battle for Chrystul Kizer, now 24, who had argued she should be immune from prosecution. 

Kizer was charged with reckless homicide for shooting Randall Volar, 34, in 2018 when she was 17. She accepted a plea deal earlier this year to avoid a life sentence.

Volar had been filming his sexual abuse of Kizer for more than a year before he was killed.

Kizer said she met Volar when she was 16, and that the man sexually assaulted her while giving her cash and gifts. She said he also made money by selling her to other men for sex.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago (53 children)

Do we really want vigilantism though? Because that's where this leads.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 56 points 3 weeks ago (31 children)

Maybe the police should do their job for a change.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

Which is true, and also doesn't address the point. (Also, obligatory ACAB.)

The problem with vigilantism is that the vigilante both decides whether an offense has been committed, and what the punishment should be for that offense. If I've been hit repeatedly by people speeding in my neighborhood, and cops aren't giving the speeders tickets, no one in their right mind is going to say that I should start shooting at people driving in my neighborhood. (Or, I would hope no one in their right mind would say that.)

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's still answers out there that are "more right" than others.

Jill, what do you think the price of this bag of rice is? $8.50? Unfortunately, not correct at all. Bob? The 1950s Hall of Rock and Roll on VHS? That's a thoroughly nonsensical answer that barely even respects the question! The answer was $11.

Sentencing judge, what do you think this man's punishment for rape should be? Nothing? Oh, wow, that's a very obviously wrong answer! Vigilante, your go. Well, we were looking for "A life sentence with chance of parole after 30 years", but I will say, "Shoot him in the head" is closer to correct.

I feel like some people there's a "magic light" applied to courtrooms with judges, that makes their judgments more fair by implication. But it's absolutely possible for three people in lawnchairs discussing matters over beer to make a more fair judgment than some judges.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I feel like some people there’s a “magic light” applied to courtrooms with judges

That's certainly true if "fair" in your view isn't the same thing as, "consistent with the law and precedent".

Let me pose this a slightly different way: a person murders a baby. Should the person be arrested? Should they be tried for murder? Should they be executed? What if the 'baby' is actually an 8 week old fetus, and the person is a doctor performing a legal elective abortion? Religious zealots and right-wing misogynists are going to argue that killing the doctor is morally justified and "fair". Should each person get to apply their own moral code?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This isn’t a case of fighting moral codes. This is a case of battles of safety.

There are many issues of safety that affect all people, including food safety, mental safety, economic safety. All of those have resulted in court battles, as well as court failures. Safety from violence is the basic one, and people will often need to make their decisions around it on a faster basis than courts can proceed.

That’s the practical analysis, rather than the idealistic view where every single disagreement of any kind would receive a protracted court debate with all evidence present.

People are all capable of in-the-moment vigilantism (heck, most murderers feel this way). Society can still evaluate their cases afterwards to say whether they were warranted or not. I argue people should feel some safety from repercussions if society can agree their actions demanded some form of immediacy beyond what courts could provide, and did something good for society or were necessary for their own safety.

A zealot would get no such votes unless they were given a jury of their fellow zealots, and if that’s possible then I can think of no fair justice system in such a society.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Safety from violence is the basic one, and people will often need to make their decisions around it on a faster basis than courts can proceed.

Anti-choice zealots argue precisely this: they are protecting babies from premeditated violence.

It's not what I believe. But it's the justification that they use to bomb reproductive clinics and murder OBGYNs.

That's the risk we run when we accept vigilante justice; we normalize it so that other people can use it for other reasons that we may or may not find morally acceptable.

Society can still evaluate their cases afterwards to say whether they were warranted or not.

Isn't that what happened here? She was charged with murder, and she took a plea deal since it's likely she would have lost a court case; she had no reasonable claim of being in fear for her life, and as a matter of law, her attorney wouldn't be allowed to make the argument that her abuser/victim deserved to be killed.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We need to change the precedent so that rapists get life in prison.

Precedent can be shit too. Remember when “separate but equal” was precedent?

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, yes, so that rape is treated the same as murder. Which will result in more murders. Because if you go to prison for the same amount of time either way, why not go all-in an murder your victim?

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