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WASHINGTON (TND) — Dr.Jill Stein, who is a Green Party presidential candidate, has selected Professor Butch Ware as her vice-presidential running mate.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

The “spoiler” effect argument assumes votes belong to the two major parties, but in reality, votes are earned by candidates who align with voters’ values.

No, it doesn't. The spoiler effect is about how the introduction of new candidates can change the outcome of an election, such that a previous winner loses because of the proximity of another candidate. Here is an example of it:

Total voters: 765
The winner was favorable to 56% of voters
lachlan - 427
emma - 338

Total voters: 765
The winner was favorable to 44% of voters
emma - 338
lachlan - 312
omalley - 115

pushing major parties to address issues they might otherwise ignore

But that never happens. The two main parties always ignore everybody except for what their establishment wants for the most part. The DNC didn't learn from it's lesson in 2016, it's not going to learn from it's lesson in 2024. And the RNC is obviously even worse at learning lessons.

And for someone who doesn’t care that I don’t care, you seem to be pushing it really hard.

You're not the one I am trying to convince here.

I’m not voting for your candidate. And I won’t stop posting articles to this community. Accept it.

I do not care. I'm only here to disprove you wrong about your claims about the spoiler effect. You are wrong both on a mathematical level and a practical level.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Indeed the only thing the Democrat party learned on 2016 was that "Trump won so that is a winning strategy and I would do better if I were more like that".

Because NEWS FLASH, PEOPLE: Political Parties are not rational actors! They are FERAL. They CONSUME people, but the parties themselves are fundamentally not human. They do not have empathy, they do not have a conscience, and they BARELY even have object permanence!

People need to realize that as long as we're stuck in a First Past The Post model, what voting constitutes is NOT "supporting the lesser of two evils" but RATHER "punishing the greater of two evils".

The party that LOSES defines "what not to do".

Honestly for FUCKS sake the Republican party should have fucking DIED decades ago. The only reason Richard fucking Nixon won and got to deploy his cancerous Southern Strategy was because Wallace distracted the voters who SHOULD have been focused on KILLING THE GOP.

We were almost free of the fascist anti-civil-rights pro-slavery SCUM.

And you know what wouldn've happened? The Democrat party would have SPLIT. Because in First Past the Post there are always TWO viable parties. The split, as it always is, would have been along the pro-tradition/anti-authority line, and we would've had a centrist party and a progressive party instead of the centrist party and fucking dictator cult we have today. God fucking DAMMIT.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If it is at all helpful, you're not alone in your anger towards the system. You're 100% correct. This is shit we should have move on from 50 years ago.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

... honestly it is astonishing to me how much of a relief it is to hear someone actually agree ._. i feel like i'm in hostile territory all the damn time lately surrounded by people who are wildly hallucinating what they wish were true instead of facing the historically proven realities of the world we're stuck in. thank you.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

It is truly maddening, and OP isn't helping. So I'm quite happy to hear somebody who share the sentiments you've given. Take care, it's gonna be a long election.

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