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What defeatist attitude? There's plenty of third parties to vote for.
Voting for Democrats while they commit Genocide claiming it's hopeless. I can't think of anything more defeatist than that.
Voting for third parties is tied for the second most effective way to increase harm. Without changes to the electoral system (changes I personally do believe are possible, despite your defeatist attitude), third party votes will always be spoiler votes. The only way to more effectively increase harm is to vote Republican.
Voting for Democrats isn't a good long term strategy, but it's the only strategy that has any hope of actually keeping my trans friends around so they can see the long term, and it's the least bad of all the options right now. Voting third party, or not voting, is effectively a 1 vote swing away from the Democrats to the Republicans, whose policies are pretty clearly to make the genocide in Gaza worse and to start other genocides and forms of suffering. Voting Republican is a 2 vote swing towards that.
So I'm choosing the least bad option, and the option most likely to open up better options down the line. You're choosing an ineffective option and then pretending to have the moral high ground even though what you're choosing is ineffective virtue signaling.
https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/
Do you know why that poem has more than 2 lines?
It's not so that people can play holier than thou while completely missing the point, but you can continue to do that despite the author's intent.
But I wasn't a Palestinian so I didn't speak out.
Voting third party is also worse for the Palestinian people given that it gives Donald "finish the job" Trump a better chance at the White House. This has already been established - it's not my fault you're ignoring facts that are inconvenient to your pre-selected conclusion.
Whats the difference between Trump or Harris finishing the job?
You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Democrats are keeping the Genocide going right now and you can't blame Republicans for that.
The current situation still has the Democrats with a less evil perspective. Evil? Yes. But less evil than the Republicans. And moreover, as you've yourself said, the Democrats are movable on the topic. Third parties are not a viable alternative, and 2016 showed how easily voting third-party can lead to a worse alternative. You don't have to like it. You can and should protest against Harris's current stance. But Harris is also the only electoral option that gives us a chance of getting better policies.
So, going back to that poem: voting for the Democrats is the most effective electoral way to speak out for both the Palestinians and the LGBTQ+ community (along with many other groups the Republicans would target). Voting is necessary, but not sufficient.
BTW, on a different topic... those are some interesting hours you keep. What time zone is that? GMT+3?