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‘We were sure the Russian army would protect us’: fury after Ukrainian incursion into Kursk
(www.theguardian.com)
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"I didn't want the war to be in MY country!"
You are underplaying the struggles of civilians in a war zone just because they happen to live on the wrong side of the border.
Civilians have all the rights to not want war on their country, at their doors, no matter which side of the border they are, and they are allowed to lament the incompetency of a government that hides critical information from them in an attempt to cover up its failures.
The Ukrainians have the right to keep fighting, and I hope they win this war. Putin is a criminal and he must pay for his crimes. This doesn't mean that civilians caught in the crossfire are being petty.
A lot of Russians support the war, though. Those deserve what they're getting. And they're very lucky it's the Ukrainians invading them, not the Russians.
A lot of Americans supported the equally illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, I still don’t think they deserve even how shitty their non-occupation civil government is.
Given how war works I’m almost certain there will be war crimes against the civil population here. Not as bad as what the Russians are doing in their occupied territories I sure as fuck hope and expect, but worse than anyone deserves. I can see Ukrainians getting to be a bit vindictive etc about this, they’ve earned it, but as armchair commentators online at a safe distance we should fucking show some empathy for people in a shitty situation they have very little control over.
I can’t control my government and I live in a democracy. I don’t blame Russians for most of what their state does either.
That's a stretch to call the USA a democracy with all tactics to keep right-wingers in power.
That's some serious revisionist history to claim the invasion of Afghanistan was illegal. How do you define what's an "illegal" invasion anyway?
UN law. Oh, look, turns out those don't apply to Security Council members if they don't want them to, weird.
The UN is a forum for diplomacy to happen. It's not the fucking world police LOL.
International law is just a collection of treaties that countries may or may not have signed on to. Russia's invasion of Ukraine could be considered an illegal invasion because it violated treaties.
There was no such treaty prohibiting the US from invading Afghanistan, in fact there were UN security council resolutions in support of it, here's some light reading for you on the UN supporting combating terrorism in Afghanistan after 9/11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1386
While there isn't actually a world police, NATO is the closest thing to it. 9/11 triggered Article 5 of NATO, so basically Al Qaeda punched the world police in the face and the Taliban tried to protect their Al Qaeda buddies.
Also remember the Taliban wasn't recognized as the government by the UN. So in "UN law" terms, NATO was going into Afghanistan to support the UN recognized government (The Northern Alliance, previously called the Mujaheddin) against a terrorist group (al Qaeda) and their allies (Taliban). This was done with explicit endorsement by the UN security council.
Maybe you should read up on international law, it's a little more complex than you're assuming it to be. There are actually justifications for military action, like when a terrorist group attacks another country. Afghanistan also may be more complicated than you think with all the various factions within the country.
The big thing I remember hearing at the time was that it was an illegal war because Congress didn't declare war and only they can. I thought the Russians calling their invasion of Ukraine a special military operation was a slightly tongue in cheek jab at the US since that's basically what we called the invasion of Afghanistan.
That's just internet nonsense. Nobody declares war anymore, because it's going from zero to a hundred in an instant and it's difficult to back down from. Which is something that could lead to World War 3 which is widely seen to be a bad thing. It's all about escalation so there can be de-escalation if things seem like it's getting out of hand.
Post-WWII, congress does what's called an Authorization of Use of Force. Which is effectively the same thing if you're worried about upsetting the dead slave masters that wrote the constitution. And there was an authorization for use of force for Afghanistan.
Nope, it was called the "Global War on Terror" from the very beginning. The US did not avoid the use of the word war. The "special operation" bullshit is just a Putin propaganda thing.