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Average cop starting pay is significantly more than teachers. Which one requires the education? Which one contributes more to society?
Cops should be paid a lot, but the danger should be part of the job and risk. I'm thinking specifically of those Uvalde cowards who did nothing and let kids get killed. Their job should be the risk, to take the bullets, so as to save and help the innocent. That's the risk they should take, and get paid well specifically for that.
Many of our cops are overweight lazy traffic cops who give poor people speeding tickets who are late for their shitty job they can't afford to be late to. Or parking wrong, or whatever.
Teachers deserve a lot more too, way more for different reasons obviously. Unless they're forcing some religious nonsense poison into the minds of growing kids, fuck that.
Being a cop is mostly dangerous for those around the cop.
https://www.vox.com/2014/8/22/6053627/being-a-police-officer-is-dangerous-these-jobs-are-more-dangerous
Exactly
Underpaying cops is what leads to Uvalde. Have high standards, throw the fuckin book at cops who abuse their power, and pay the rest of them properly. Cops, teachers, construction, bus drivers, all the people who make things operate should get paid a fuckin living wage, and the jobs that are skilled in addition (I.e. most of those) should be able to demand a higher wage and limit the people who’re allowed to do it to the people who can do it properly.
Agreed. Unfortunately, it's just not going to happen in America. This entire country is founded on the principle of extracting as much value from labor as possible without compensating them fairly.
The best place to live I have ever been aware of in history was the US during the post-labor-movement environment of the 1940s through 1970s (for the white people). We just gotta have a second one of those that’s capable to demand that again, and extend it to all races.
Nothing’s inherently wrong with the US governmental system; the economic system just tends to get out of whack (and also distort the government along with everything else) if there isn’t a strong labor movement keeping it the fuck in check.
Uh, there might have been something else going on during that time period besides the labor movement - like a war and the consequent near-destruction of the rest of the industrialized world.
It's not possible to extend racist privilege to everybody because racist privilege depends on racism.
Agreed.
Maybe the best thing about how awful the last two presidents have been for working people is that unions had to become stronger and more aggressive by necessity, and they did.
Kinda had a feeling that’s where you were going with that
Speaking as someone who actually supports unions and working class wages and things that help them, please back up what you’re saying
Like this or this
I realize Biden said a few things and has performatively supported unions.
I give Democrats credit for their actions, not broken promises and pretending that they are powerless. (Particularly so in a time when they have control of two branches of government.)
I'm sorry if that offends your sensibilities, but I live in a country where my 80 year-old parents have to work for DoorDash (using my car) or starve. I'm disinclined to be affected by mere words anymore.
That’s after adjusting for absolutely punishing Covid inflation during 2021 and 2022. If it was the same NLRB and IRA actions against a normal level of inflation instead of having inherited an absolute apocalypse economically, that lowest bracket of real wages would have gone up 25%.
13% of a low wage
Okay, let's say you get paid $11 an hour. That comes out to $1.43 an hour. That gets you an extra $240-ish a month, before taxes.
A great thing to be sure, but definitely not enough to make much of a difference in a country where half can't afford their rent and groceries are likewise becoming unaffordable. And that's saying nothing about cost-prohibitive health care and education or child care and rent.
I can't pretend this is progress. Biden, with the presidency and Congress, should have done more. His record demonstrates that he's legislating more for the billionaire class than the poor. His lack of action makes me think it's unlikely that Harris will deviate from that track as well.
If you got paid $11 an hour in 2019, that means on the average you now make $14.52 an hour -- which means even accounting for inflation you're coming out ahead.
You're like the third person in the last 24 hours who has persistently failed to understand the entire concept of inflation-adjusted wages -- the idea that someone's wages could rise by so much that even with rent and groceries more expensive now, they could still wind up ahead. You understand that that's what happened, right? Or not yet?
What record is that?
What's your assessment of the meaning of Amazon's quarterly tax rate over time, and its connection to Biden's 15% minimum corporate tax?
40% of the city budget isn't enough? smh.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/examining-uvaldes-police-spending/
Who are you talking to? In actual reality the police almost never investigate themselves.
You need to read the fact check you sent me. It explains that the actual number is much lower.
In some departments, that's true. I am proposing that fixing that is a high priority. I think it's been reformed to a pretty substantial degree already, though -- most of these conversations about cops doing something fucked up, in the modern day, come alongside them getting charges because of the fucked up thing that they did.
That didn't used to be true, and more is needed, yes, but the old days where it would never happen are definitely not true anymore.
You don't want to include the number though? It's 40% of general fund and like 20% of total budget. How much more do you want?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/why-police-funding-makes-up-40-uvalde-s-city-budget
And uvalde is only making very small changes after a huge failure. Other PDs are doing far far less, more likely nothing.
You said 40% of the city budget. It's 17% of the city budget. Don't throw out random numbers that are distorted into the shape of the reality you would like to perceive.
Your assertion is that Uvalde is at the leading cutting edge of the best departments in the country?