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[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 6 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

What's the goal of the invasion? Trade Ukraine's territory against Russia's?

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe. But I'd imagine it's an attempt to force Putin to move some troops around; taking them from other areas to defend this new front.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 24 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That is probably one of the reasons the others are maybe:

  • force Russia to redeploy troops from the front further south
  • force Russia to guard the entire border seriously, hence using more soldiers
  • make Putin look weak within Russia and abroad(this has a lot of consequences, mostly good for Ukraine
  • take prisoners for exchange
[–] The_v@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

If they get far enough into Russian territory:

Cut off supply routes to the front.

Flank Russian fortified defensive positions.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They seized the only gas line to the EU, so the Russian simps still using the gas get nyet. Maybe plant the seeds of rebellion? If these people get cut off from the propaganda, they just might start seeing the big picture

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The gas line goes through Ukraine proper. Ukraine had the ability to destroy it for the entire war and did choose not to. So clearly not the reason they went into Russia.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I've said this before when someone said the same thing.

Ok. You blew up the pipeline on your own land.

Now who has to deal with the massive constant fire, the possible wildfire, and the environmental clean up after the fire?

Ukraine. They did it this way to minimize the total damage. Now the pipeline is shut off, the controls are gone, and the environment is intact.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 weeks ago

Compressor stations.....

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I've heard rumors of a planned attack against Ukraine in this region. This move prevents it.

As other said, it also makes Putin look like a clown, increase the cost of the war for Russia (they have their own refugees now who will spread the word of how Russia is invaded for the first time since ww2), allows to take prisoners and equipment, give control over a gas pipeline so they can pressure Austria and Hungary, forces Russia to move troups and equipment away from the Dombass, improves the moral in Ukraine with victories and humiliating Russia.

Strategically, the only drawback for Ukraine is that they are in a position of invading force in some way, which may make some allies or international opinions a bit uncomfortable. But the whole list of positives has the potential to change the war.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Considering that Ukraine have made it clear that they don't want to even be there does ease discomfort though

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, it could only be a bad pretext for actors who didn't want to help anyway

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 4 weeks ago

True, but it's just whining. I saw someone claiming that they were once neutral, but once Ukraine arrested Russian Orthodox "priests" who were basically already acting as Kremlin puppets something something "Ukraine gone too far!" So.. raping children and women in Bucha, you stayed neutral, but once a few priests get arrested for reasons unrelated to being a priest, you find a problem?

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Destabilize russia. Make people there uncomfortable with the war. Exhaust their resources. And sweet sweet revange.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Take over Moscow and install a free and open constitution and elections.

[–] VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Stop, I can only get so erect.