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The yellow arrow points to a leather cord tied similar to a poacher's knot to have an end loop.

The red arrow are ends of an elastic string which passes through a hole (one for each end) in the leather.

I need to tie the elastic string ends in such a way to secure both the leather cord, and on itself so that when the elastic is pulled, it will not stretch. Also it should be hard but not impossible to untie.

Also it should not be too bulky.

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[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

As a climber I have to disagree, figure 8 knots are the best, especially when double back.
It's the one knot I trust my life to on a weekly basis and I have rarely encountered a situation where they weren't part of the solution.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Look, friend, if you can't trust 15 year-old me, who acceptably tied FOUR different knots that one time to check off the box in the handbook, or 17.83333 year-old me who managed the building of not one but TWO picnic tables for a local elementary school because my Dad was being a pain about finishing the final Eagle Scout project, then who can you trust?!?!?!?!

[–] counselwolf@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s a standard figure 8 knot, but the end of the rope doubles back through the eight. This leaves the end of the 8 at the top of the knot & would look similar to this:

[–] Waveform@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The right one looks easier to undo than a bowline.

[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I get you on that, it doesn’t look like much. I’m guessing that’s because it’s a true follow through & looks “traceable”?

Physics or whatnot means the stress that knot puts on itself allows it to retain roughly 80% of the ropes strength, without a backup knot.

Many use a backup knot, but that’s typically just for convenience, to get the loose end out of the way.

The biggest reason, aside from the knot’s strength (…and to my knowledge), that it is used for climbing, is because it will not fail or slip past a rope delivery system, such as an ATC or a grigri.

Basically if you’re ass backwards & heading in the wrong direction, that knot may help stop your decent by not blowing past a safety measure.

[–] Waveform@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I think I made an unclear comment, lol. I actually meant it in a good way. It looks like a strong knot that holds up until it's time to take it apart, in which case it would be somewhar easier than a bowline.

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Figure eight on a bight.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As a normie knot-know-nothing, I have to say, whatever happened to my double-knotted shoelaces.

[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 3 months ago

Me too, me too.