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This article seems shockingly naive.
Netanyahu clearly doesn't give a shit about the hostages. It's better for him, politically, if they are still out there and justifying the atrocities he wants to commit, than if the hostages thing is resolved and he's just being a genocidal maniac.
Same thing. Hamas being out there is clearly much better for Netanyahu's priorities. This is why the Israeli government likes to facilitate Hamas staying in power, route aid to them, support them against their less violent domestic opposition -- because Netanyahu has decided on taking land and killing Palestinians, and the more damage Hamas is doing, the better a flimsy excuse he will have in place for doing so.
Why on Earth would he want an alternative to Hamas rule in Gaza. Again, Netanyahu's government routes funding to Hamas. Some of their politicians have explicitly said that they like Hamas in charge because it delegitimizes Palestine on the world stage (meaning that the Israeli civilians who die to Hamas are, presumably, an acceptable cost for that diplomatic boost they're getting in exchange).
Etc etc
Stop taking lying governments at their word in their framing of their conflicts. That kind of "golly gee we're just trying to protect Israeli civilians and create peace, but these pesky Hamas people keep getting in the way, which we totally hate" stuff is meant for the rubes and the voters. It has no business being taken seriously by supposed professionals.
Blinken and Miller ought to hang out on Lemmy more.
Yeah I feel like we could set them straight.
Honestly man, I wish I could say that the real high level professionals are aware of the reality in enough detail that they would also laugh at a story like this, but I have a deep fear that they may not be.
It would definitely explain a lot about US reactions to the endless series of “ooh just missed it” peace agreement failures this year if they thought this story accurately represented how Netanyahu thinks.
Yea, we know so much better than them.
I'm not trying to have hubris but I feel like, yes, in some aspects, yes.
I'm sure they are more up to speed on the details and I'm sure if I were in the position and making decisions, I would start fucking up horribly on some things. But, definitely there can be people in positions of power who are making horrible decisions because of blindness to key factors that the activist community is aware of -- "Secrets" by Daniel Ellsberg probably has some of the best examples I'm aware of. It's not entirely just me talking out of my ass.
No totally, that's why Blinken and Miller should take notes from Lemmy. And they should probably read that book too. I'm sure they'll change course because clearly we know they don't know what they're doing. It's only one way.
backs away gingerly
(I feel like you may not know who Daniel Ellsberg is)
leans back in chair, twirling moustache, sipping cognac
Why sweet lemming, they're the author of the book that's going to open Blinken's and Miller's eyes to the truth!
He worked at the RAND Corporation, inside the Pentagon directly under the Secretary of Defense, on-site in Vietnam, and then based on what he saw, decided to commit an incredibly major federal crime by going public about what was going on in the United States's decision-making process so the American people could be aware. He was charged with espionage, with the government aiming to put him in prison for 115 years, and beat the case. Much later, he wrote a book with his experiences and insights.
That's an extremely broad overview. I would highly recommend looking into more of the details, or maybe reading his book.
I'll email the amazon link for the book to Blinken and Miller.
Edit: if anyone didn't figure it out, I'm rejecting the baseless idea put forth that they know better than the professionals. Next we'll see mozz giving state department briefings instead of Miller, because they clearly know better than those fools.
A good example would be Ellsberg’s writings on “the stalemate machine” in Vietnam - that should be, in my opinion, required reading for anyone who’s involved on any level in our Ukraine policy. I feel like, observing the result, it probably is not.
I mean you’re not wrong. As I said I am sure I would fuck up horribly in these roles, as applied to either Israel or Ukraine. It’s at least 10 times easier to lob criticism and identify problems than it is to actually execute, and solve the problems. But if you’re suggesting that just because someone’s at a high level, they’re obviously wise to the real situation and making good comprehensive decisions, that suggests strongly to me that you probably haven’t worked either in a big company or on military / foreign policy things.
Is that what I was suggesting? Or were you just suggesting that based on your anecdotal experience in the military you can confirm that Blinken and Miller don't know what they're doing? Or, even better, are you basing this on a book about Vietnam? That you can succinctly reduce down the reason against everything cited in the article as "Bibi hates brown people" tells me your analysis is one dimensional (perfect for your intended audience). For one second, do you think that private discussions between interlocuters might not show from the outside? That foreign affairs, which is part of the council on foreign relations, might have some insight into how a "moonshot" like this might work out? And discussing the potential motivations of the involved countries for how these interwoven goals could be achieved?
No, Bibi hates brown people, and shit like this is for suckers. Talk about lobbing easy criticism...
Go away.