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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah..

ITT: people who are in a state of BBQ flavored confusion.

Lemmy help y'all out.

leftist: some socialist policies, universal healthcare, publicly funded education, jobs programs, ubi, abolition, etc..

liberal: voting rights, property ownership, access to banking, civil liberties

neo liberal: global access to markets, global tade, international standards bodies, world banks, world courts, trade agreements.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not sure I agree with your categories. I think you're conflating stances on globalisation with econonic and social issues. I'm a left wing voter and I support pretty much all the things you listed

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

But I can see how people end up with those ideas. Media sucks at teaching actual stuff.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, neoliberalism isn't just that, it's also "privatization, deregulation, monetarism, austerity, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society"

So you can't really be a leftist and support neoliberalism. We're seeing the catastrophic results now.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That was rather my point. You define neoliberalism in the way I do. And I vehemently oppose it, so defined. But the post I responsed to defined it more as an issue of globalisation which is a different topic imo

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Ah sorry, I misunderstood.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Leftist - I own personal objects. Large things are owned communally. I have human rights.

Liberal - I own anything I can buy. If the law sees me as a person then I have human rights.

Conservative - I own personal objects. Large objects are owned by a predetermined elite. I do not have human rights. Even the elite only have as many rights as they have power.

This stood me well in my poli sci studies but obviously it's hilariously top level and actual ideologies take more than a couple sentences to categorize. But this effectively covers OG Liberalism and Conservatism with Leftist ideas in their own category. Also any system of categorization is doomed to fail in the end because it's actually a 5d shifting plane of color shades out there. Like going from leftist to totalitarian or liberal to effectively wanting a king again while still talking about liberal stuff.