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Alt text: a screenshot of a microblog post with the text "you walking down an alleyway with a gram of weed in your pocket, who would you rather catch you?" Below are two pictures side by side. One of Kamala Harris and the other of Batman.

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[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 114 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Honestly don't think either one would give 2 shits about a gram of weed.

Also batman's a billionaire. That's worse than being a cop.

Edit: LOL are you just banning anyone that finds your meme shitty? Fragile.

[–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I've banned people for violating multiple of our community guidelines, not for disliking or criticizing my post.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Okay, I call shenanigans.

Some of those comments are still visible, and I find your claim that they violated C/ rules a stretch at best.

I would hope that you either clarify your rules so that it is much less likely to happen in the future, or that you reevaluate the decisions.

The worst of the ones still visible to me would require a great deal of hypersensitivity and a nigh maniacal definition of any of the rules as they existed when I just went to look at them. Now, removing those comments, that would make sense. Warning the people that made them, makes total sense, but it would be better to build up the listing of the rules to include some examples, or you'd end up warning more people over time doing it piecemeal like that.

But bans? I hate to break it to you, but I used to be known for being a harsh mod I'm some ways, and none of those comments merit bans with the rules as they're currently written.

But, hey, it's your C/, do what you want. If you want to exclude any and all dissent, that's your choice. Just don't be surprised when the C/ ends up as an echo chamber with little to no activity.

[–] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yeah I was apparently supporting oppressive systems for stating a prosecutor can't unilaterally change laws. Dudes on a trip

This has never been a space friendly to defending or supporting liberalism or state violence.

"She was just doing her job," or "she can't unilaterally change laws" or similar are arguments in favor of the oppressive so-called criminal justice system.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, the whole thing is out of bounds imo. Mind you, as far as I can see, you had comments deleted, which isn't the same degree of problem as bans. If it also came with an explanation at the time of removal, then it would be doable as a mod team adapts on the go. I don't have the ability to see any private messages, and none are visible in the thread itself though.

It's like I said elsewhere, there is no place in the community that I could find where any of these reasons for removal/bans are listed. Since whether or not stating what is a simple fact of the system as it exists is considered a support of that system, and it is part of a nuanced statement that is at least as much a condemnation of the existing system, that being a reason for mod action of any kind would need to be explicitly listed.

I have nothing against strict moderation at all, any dedicated C/ needs it just to stay on topic. A political C/ needs it to stay on topic even more. But the rules have to be spelled out up front, as do the intended actions for a given rule. It might make sense on a private server/forum, but on lemmy, you can't even rely on visitors being from the same instance.

Moderation ain't easy, and it ain't simple. Moderating hot button topics is even more chaotic. Seriously, something like this post is inevitably going to be bonkers behind the scenes. To me that means you make any decisions transparent, be up front, and not moderate your own posts to avoid impropriety.

My stance is that the community needs to have the rules established ASAP. If the mods want to just set the rules and enforce them, that's their choice and the users' choice to use the C/or not. If they want to communally establish them, then it needs to start NOW rather than later because the C/ is guaranteed to have topics like this posted regularly. You can't put off the building of community consensus until after something goes wrong and hope for it to not end up biting you in the ass.

You can do that in an authoritarian system, and anyone that doesn't like it can bugger off, but trying that in a leftist community would be kinda silly. Doing it in an anarchist leaning community directly goes against the principles of anarchism, imo. You can't make anarchism work if you're using authoritarian methods. It just isn't anarchism at that point. Same with other leftist systems tbh; once you centralize power, you defeat the purpose.

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