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[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

While I agree with you in most things (especially the jewish stereotype, yikes) I must call you on the defense of slavery. I always got the impression we weren't supposed to agree with the magic world view of house elves. I think the only point of Hermione going over the top was showing how something so hideous had become so normalized and accepted by good people in the magic world. Hermione being an outsider sees how fucked up it is and calls it.

Things are not black white. As fucked up as JK Rowling is, it doesn't mean everything she says is bad. She tried to make some good points...others sucked ass. It is what it is.

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One of the only freed house elves we hear about literally drinks herself to death because she can't 'handle' freedom, which was a defense of slavery back in the day.

Also, even more eerily, Joanne has tried to retcon Hermione as black. When you then read her as the only character to try and free the house elves, something everyone makes fun of her for, it becomes EXTREMELY unsettling. Even if she weren't black, it's upsetting, and not because we're meant to see how problematic the Wizarding World is. May I remind you, Harry also thinks she's being crazy for trying to free them, and he's just as much of an outsider as she is. When all characters from all walks of life in a work believe the same thing like this, it feels very much like it's the author who believes it and is putting it into the work.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The other freed house elve Dobby is portrayed as a good meaning, but over the top eccentric, quite literally wearing a dozen hats in book 4.

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

Not the person you're originally replying to, I think they're agreeing with you

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 months ago

To me, the Hermione thing had always felt like JK was trying to make her out to be a "blue hair/pronouns" feminist who shouldn't be taken seriously and in the process she accidentally walked face first into making the same argument that actual slave owners made to justify themselves. I don't think she intentionally meant to justify slavery, but she ended up there trying to criticize Hermione.

This is why I recommend Shaun's video to people, as it tries to take an impartial look at the books. He points out how it feels like JK's point of view shifts as the books go on, and she goes from criticizing the system to defending it as the money started rolling in and she began to benefit from that same system. But there are some constants with her open bigotry now even as far back as the first book, some of which I've already mentioned, like the stereotypical characters (which could easily come from growing up in a sheltered environment, but she claims to deeply research a culture before creating a character) and applying masculine traits as a negative to female characters. Whether or not she supports slavery we can only guess at as she's never made a statement on the subject, and I can't imagine that she does, but her bigotry can be seen to not be a recent development, just a more deeply entrenched or worsening belief.