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[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

*taps the sign*

Donald Trump, a fascist, is currently polling about equally with his opponent, who is not a fascist, because while his policies are fascist, he isn't describing them as such. People are willingly voting for them because they think they're a good idea.

If he campaigned on "I am a fascist", he would not be polling equally with his opponent.

Please explain how these two ideas put together aren't an example of what you advocate for in your post.

You'll also notice that me referencing polling figures doesn't mean that I agree with the outcome of polling. Absolutely shocking that I need to make this clarification, but there we go, I suppose.

Or, you know, continue desperately avoiding making an actual argument because of how obvious it is that you accidentally made a pro-fascism, pro-eugenics post and for some reason can't accept that fact.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's because US is and always has been a fascist state. Only difference with Trump is that he's open about what burgerland truly stands for. Thanks for proving my point.

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

have you forgotten what your point was? because a minute ago it was that you could trust the average person's gut impulse when it came to political philosophy. now it's that you can't? are you feeling okay?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have not, I'm just pointing out that people are a product of their environment. And you live in a fascist nations, which is what shapes your fucked up views.

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

can you trust a gut reaction or not? i'm getting mixed messages here

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

you're getting mixed messages because you have low reading comprehension, I'll let you wallow in your confusion.

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

my guy it's actually comical how shit your comebacks are getting

can you trust it? yes or no? it's a pretty simple question

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Where do you think your gut reaction comes from genius? Absolutely hilarious that you can't understand that it's shaped by your conditions. You just continue to highlight the quality of your intellect here. 😂

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

oh my god is that the point you were trying to make? i kind of assumed it wasn't because it actually doesn't help your argument in any way

like, okay, you're shaped by your surroundings. so? so you can't trust your gut because your surroundings could have shaped you to have the wrong gut reaction?

incredible that you're actually arguing against yourself now

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yup, I'm arguing against myself here, you're very intelligent. 😂

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

excuse me buddy i think you need to work on your

reading comprehension

let's try again

can you trust a person's gut reaction? yes or no?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

can you trust a person’s gut reaction? yes or no?

Depends on what that gut reaction is born out of obviously, which is something you appear to be unable to comprehend. Somebody, like yourself, growing up in a fascist environment, naturally has fascist gut reactions. That's why my original point wasn't about discussing gut reactions, which are meaningless, but reasoning about the actual mechanics, and thinking through their implications, something that's clearly beyond your cognitive abilities as you've shown here time and again.

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

oh my god it was beautiful

it was nearly an argument and then it just crashed and burned so quickly, and it was so clearly meant to be some kind of coup de grâce

reasoning about the actual mechanics, and thinking through their implications

okay so if a person grows up in the wrong environment, and so they reason about the actual mechanics, and think through the implications in a way that you don't like, it's bad

but when they do it and get an answer that you do like, it's good

the only difference between the two scenarios is your personal opinion on their conclusion

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Growing up in a fascist environment does not preclude critical thinking, being an imbecile does however.

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

ah and thus we arrive at the final stop of our journey

"the right answer is right because i say it is right", confirming that, at no stage did you have anything resembling a good point to make in its defense

i'm glad we could all reach this together i'm so happy for us

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And thus we arrive at the final stop of our journey where you are unable to distinguish between the beliefs people internalize through their conditioning and rational thinking. I’m glad we could all reach this together. I’m so happy for us.

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it's hilarious that you think that has anything to do with your post

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it's even more hilarious that you can't understand that it does 🤡

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

dropping the emojis again i love it

your post boils down to "marxism good because i say", which is a shit argument for marxism

there's really nothing more to it than that, and it's pretty obvious that you've realised it at this point

hence how pointedly you're avoiding actually engaging with anything i say and i'm here for it every step of the way

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I, as well as numerous other people did engage with what you said, and explained to you the fallacy of your argument in detail. You just ignored that and continued to double down on it. I absolutely love how your method of argument is basically to just repeat nonsense like a broken record hoping that the other side will get tired and you get the last word. That presumably constitutes winning the argument in your head. Enjoy having the last word being the child that you are.