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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I could definitely believe that some weibo users are very interested in Biden's stepping down. Xi's decision to stay on passed the original term limit was quite controversial even among some of his supporters. Stepping aside when the moment requires it is the hallmark of that paragon of Confucian virtue, the Duke of Zhou.

But no one in the world "envies" our political chaos. We've done real damage to the global reputation of democracy and given example after example for the world's autocrats to point to when they argue that democracy is self defeating.

[–] ExFed@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a bit of a paradox, because public unrest is a feature of democracy, not a bug. What autocrats fail to recognize is that the appearance of a peaceful society without conflict is not the same thing as a peaceful society without conflict. Public protest and unrest is a symptom, your society telling you something is wrong, not the thing that's wrong.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Public protest and unrest is a symptom, your society telling you something is wrong

This is something that the Chinese government actually pays very close attention to. Specific issues - food safety and pollution for example - they allow some protest so they can gauge how strong public sentiment is on the matter. Even when they arrest protest leaders, they'll often make policy changes in the relevant areas. I've heard china scholars talk about how interested the chinese government is in public opinion and the roundabout ways they assess it in a system where it can't be regularly expressed in open elections.

the appearance of a peaceful society without conflict is not the same thing as a peaceful society without conflict

For sure. I feel like as far as an authoritarian government is concerned though, they are functionally the same. Until suddenly they are not, of course. But again, the resilience of the CCP is due in part to working out what is up for public comment and what is most definitely not.

public unrest is a feature

Again, super agree. But I don't think of public unrest as political chaos, at least not in the US context. The inability of the government to perform it's most basic functions without brutally pointless culture wars, the myriad ways to gum up the works and prevent action, the increasing politicization of the public service, the willingness of so many to act contrary to the government's own interests - that's the sort of stuff I think of as All American political chaos.