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  • In short: Transgender woman Roxanne Tickle is suing social media platform Giggle for Girls after she was excluded from the women-only app.
  • She is alleging unlawful discrimination on the basis of gender identity while the app's founder has denied she is a woman.
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A transgender woman who was excluded from a women-only social media app should be awarded damages because the app's founder has persistently denied she is a woman, a Sydney court has heard.

In February 2021, Roxanne Tickle downloaded the Giggle for Girls social networking app, which was marketed as a platform exclusively for women to share experiences and speak freely.

Users needed to provide a selfie, which was assessed by artificial intelligence software to determine if they were a woman or man.

Ms Tickle's photograph was determined to be a woman and she used the app's full features until September that year, when the account became restricted because the AI decision was manually overridden.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why do you get to unilaterally determine biological definitions when science is based on consensus?

Also, from where did you obtain your doctorate in genetics?

[–] Random_German_Name@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As you may have guessed I don‘t have a doctorate in genetics, just like you, I assume.

I don‘t get to determine biological definitions, but the definition of a biological sex, if such a thing exists, is still heavily debated in science. Therefore a consensus couldn‘t be reached so far. I just argued for the definition, that sounds the most logical to me. If you have other definitions or models I am open always open to learn.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

but the definition of a biological sex, if such a thing exists, is still heavily debated in science.

Maybe so, but your definition has nothing to do with said debate, which has moved far beyond it in terms of the science of genetics.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8

https://www.sapiens.org/biology/biological-science-rejects-the-sex-binary-and-thats-good-for-humanity/

https://www.medicaldaily.com/challenging-gender-identity-biologists-say-gender-expands-across-spectrum-rather-323956

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1188

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-of-biological-sex/

That's a small sampling.

Incidentally, if you do base biological sex solely on chromosomes, birds have four sexes. What shall we call the other two?

[–] Random_German_Name@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago

Thanks for the sources.

The first article doesn‘t invalidate my thesis. It explains the difference between sex and gender.

The second article argues against the sex binary, which I never defended. I view „male“ and „female“ (in the context of the biological sex) as terms for a combination of chromosomes. The article still was absolutely worth reading, thanks.

The third article actually lists a bunch of stuff I didn‘t know about. I‘m going to look into that.