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We beat it last time.

Lightning scales very well. Your information is outdated. A single bitcoin transaction can open a lightning channel. You can have trillions of transactions in a lightning channel between you and anybody else with a lightning wallet. All settle instantly for pennies in fees. They literally happen in under a second. In the last two months, Nostr users alone (decentralized twitter clone like Mastodon) sent each other 2.6 million tips (individual transactions) over Bitcoin lightning. Lightning is decentralized and trustless, just like Bitcoin.

No matter how you slice it: market cap, number of nodes, number of transactions, value of transactions, etc. Bitcoin is on a 15-year trend of growth on average.

Chat control was beat. This can be too. Contact your MEP, let them know this issue is important to you: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

Chat control was beat. This can be too. Contact your MEP, let them know this issue is important to you: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

Crypto won’t scale

And yet every year, for 15 years, the transaction capacity has continued to increase. Networking protocols (TCP/IP, SMTP, etc) also didn't scale to "internet scale" in the first 15 years. They just kept adding new layers to the stack and optimizing it until it did. Just like Bitcoin added Lightning, Taproot, etc to improve scaling.

In the last two months, Nostr users alone (decentralized twitter clone like Mastodon) sent each other 2.6 million tips (individual transactions) over Bitcoin lightning. None of that requires an on-chain transaction, none of it required high fees. It works. It scales. It continues to improve. Lightning has capacity for trillions more transactions because capacity is not tied to chain space.

Also bitcoin isn’t even private and you are basically shouting to the world every time you make a payment.

Bitcoin is pseudonymous. If you make a wallet, nobody knows you own that wallet unless you tell them (or a third party like an exchange), but the balance and transactions on-chain are visible. There are ways to make your transactions more private, like coinjoin, you can have multiple addresses with multiple coins.

With lightning, transactions are opaque except to you and any nodes you route through, because lightning transactions don't go on chain. This also means nobody knows your current balance. If you make a transaction between two lightning nodes that share a channel, nobody knows that transaction was made outside of those two nodes. Privacy continues to improve, see BOLT 12 for the latest upgrades in this area.

Bitcoin has been hacked so many times it isn’t even funny anymore, it’s just sad, including a $300 million hack just a few days ago.

Bitcoin has never been hacked. Nobody has ever been able to print money the protocol doesn't allow nor spend money without the appropriate private key. People have had their Bitcoin stolen, which is like getting your wallet stolen IRL, but we don't say 'The USD got hacked' or 'The USD is insecure' just because that happened.

And hour of downtime? Bitcoin has also had that numerous times, where you haven’t been able to process exchanges at all for hours and hours.

That's not downtime, that's congestion. It never stopped processing transactions. If you paid a high fee, you would go through immediately. And that's happened rarely and doesn't effect lightning transactions which are the ones you use if speed is a priority.

At a high demand time, it could take hours to complete a transaction (if it even went through at all) and with an outrageous fee up to dozens of dollars.

Bitcoin has never been known for time efficient nor competitive fees (except for maybe in the beginning when nobody uses it).

At least you admit people use it. Bitcoin lightning enables transactions in under a second for pennies in fees, it's been around for 5+ years. Your information is outdated. In the last two months, Nostr users alone (decentralized twitter clone like Mastodon) sent each other 2.6 million tips (individual transactions) over Bitcoin lightning. None of that requires an on-chain transaction, none of it required high fees. It works. It scales. It continues to improve.

I’ve had bitcoin transactions that literally took several days to process. This was also using an average fee.

I use Bitcoin regularly, this has literally never happened to me. If your transaction took days either you accidentally set a super low fee or your wallet was bugged somehow. Generally speaking the only way an "average fee" transaction takes more than a block or two is if you pay an average fee right before a rare massive fee spike, in which case, you can do a "replacement" transaction by upping the fee or just wait. Look up "average Bitcoin transaction fees" if you want to see rarity and size of fee spikes.

A handful of minutes or hours in a high-fee scenario, btw, is still much faster than ACH or international wires. Even if the money appears to move that quickly with traditional banking, full settlement is often measured in days to weeks, ask any vendor whose had a chargeback or anybody whose tried to "withdraw" from their Venmo right after depositing to it. Bitcoin's main chain and Fedwire (used to settle liquidity between US banks) have equivalent daily transaction capacity.

You can open a lightning channel with a single on-chain transaction. That lightning channel can stay open for years and process trillions of transactions, instantly, for pennies in fees. If you need a transaction done quickly, you shouldn't be sending it on main chain to begin with.

Long-term the vision is for folks to be using lightning or other L2s for everyday transactions, not main chain. Most Bitcoin transactions by transaction count are already on lightning. Lightning has been out for 5+ years now. It works well and gets better every year.

45 minutes to process a transaction and requires the burning down of several rainforests per transaction.

Don't listen to people who are critical of a thing if they clearly don't even understand the basics of how it works. On main chain, a Bitcoin transaction typically take up to ten minutes (the time between blocks). It can take longer if you set a super low fee, but you can guarantee your payment goes into the next block by paying an average fee, usually around $0.75. Your wallet does this all automatically.

On lightning where most transactions occur these days (secured by main chain) transactions settle fully in under a second. Do your own research.

Besides, we all know Bitcoin only takes a single rainforest per transaction, it's been that way since the great rainfork which is ancient history at this point.

Trump has tried to distance himself from Project 2025, but it is clear that he supports and is supported[1] by Project 2025’s many authors[2] including his own press secretary and many members of his cabinet. He has, for example, called Project 2025 “our agenda”[4] and is personally mentioned hundreds of times in the document. By the Heritage Foundation’s own count, Trump already implemented a majority of their recommendations during his last term [3] and 81% of Project 2025’s authors held official appointments in his administration[5].

1. https://democrats.org/news/project-2025-is-undeniably-a-trump-driven-operation/

2 https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-project-2025-truth-social-rcna160774

3. https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations

4. https://www.heritage.org/impact/heritage-analysis-trump-administrations-first-year-draws-high-profile-attention

5. https://popular.info/p/what-trump-doesnt-want-you-to-know

Bitcoin lightning is absolutely hilarious. Your solution to Bitcoins problems is - not using Bitcoin. Wow, galaxy brain move.

Bitcoin lightning is Bitcoin. It's a smart contract on the Bitcoin main chain. You move Bitcoin "into" lightning by sending it to that smart contract, you move it "out of" lightning by having that smart contract close. It inherits the security of Bitcoin main chain while getting the transaction speed of off-chain.

Agree to disagree about the rest. Energy use like carbon footprint is about "where you draw the box". Off-peak demand is the cheapest power available, and it tends to be renewable. That trend continues to escalate.