breadguy

encrochat?

seems pretty good, though I think id still pick Jami over it for p2p

it's probably the best p2p messenger out there

I don't know lol

it is using double ratchet but heres the most recent tob. the fact that they use distributed self hostable relays and no user identifiers is more secure imo

yeah it's annoying, but they're pretty committed to the no user id thing

"retard"

yeah you can only use one device at a time because simplex doesn't have accounts, just devices. but you can make another account per device and add them to your chats

4 and 5, from what I remember you have to opt into being discoverable by number even if you give it your contacts. that said I don't fw signal for the other reasons stated, it's basically just the easiest secure alternative to texting.

• matrix if you want cloud storage for conversations
• jami or briar if you're okay with p2p
• simplex for the most secure cryptography and "just works" better than p2p

~~most~~ some of the stuff on that list isn't even true (at least not anymore) lol

the meta stuff (fb messenger, ig, whatsapp) always have issues. bridges get flagged as bots, service goes down, etc