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Can we stop acting like Israel is fucking normal? This shit doesn’t even happen in the US.
"This shit doesn't even happen in the US"
Ok, Trump aside, do you remember the US response to the 9-11 attacks?
Israel is bang out of order, but it doesn't help that the groundwork for dealing with "terrorists" on a global scale was laid by the US.
Remember renaming French fries to "Freedom Fries" because the French dared to oppose the invasion of Iraq, a country that had very little to do with the terrorist act?
Dutch guy here. We had our own 9/11 event when Russians shot MH17 out of the air which contained 200 Dutch people. You know what we did? We prosecuted those responsible (in absentia) and they will be arrested once they enter Dutch soil. No kids were harmed in the process (apart from those on the plane). Israel’s response of collective punishment is bad shit crazy!
It happens everywhere, with increasing frequency. Depending on who's calling for killing who, it's either praised or giggled at or condemned. Off the top of my head...
Snoop Dogg had a mock execution of Trump, where he shot a Trump caricature clown in the head
In South Africa, there are prominent groups dancing around & chanting, "Kill the Boer! The farmer! SHOOT to KILL!! Brrrrrrrap!" But this has been justified because it's "an old cultural chant", totally not a threat. Malema has been called out for this, and he has reassured everyone, "We Have Not Called For The Killing Of White People... At Least For Now" But he "cannot 'guarantee' what will happen in the future".
You're right, it's not a national thing, but it's not okay. The one with Snoop Dogg is a bit different though, because Trump is also inciting violence, so he made himself a legitimate target for responses like that.
Why do you consider Hamas not inciting violence? And the many Palestinians and pro-palestinian protestors who openly ask to eradicate Israel and Israelis, Jews and so on?
Nazis rappers are so stupid but every country seems to have at least a few.
Well they only seem to top the charts in Israel
To be fair: We had a nazi rapper in the Charts in Germany a few years ago.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
An Israeli rap duo have called for the deaths of Dua Lipa, Bella Hadid and Mia Khalifa in a song which has shot to the top of charts in Israel.
The drill song, which artists Ness and Stilla said they recorded to be a “war anthem”, has split the country due to its support for military action in the Gaza strip following the 7 October Hamas attacks.
“Harbu Darbu”, meaning “raining hell on one’s opponent”, in Hebrew slang is originally derived from the Arabic words for “mayhem” and “war strike”.
With a middle finger up, the rappers call for the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) to attack singer Dua Lipa, supermodel Bella Hadid and former adult content creator Mia Khalifa.
The song’s lyrics also include Iran’s Hassan Nasrallah, Mohammed Deif who is head of Hamas’s al-Qassam brigades, as well as what appears to be a racialised reference to Palestinians and Arabic names in “Abu Baklawa” referring to the middle eastern dessert.
The Independent has reached out to representatives for Ness and Stilla, Mia Khalifa, Bella Hadid and Dua Lipa.
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“They made us out to be a bunch of Jewish fascists who want to kill Arabs,” he said in an interview with Ynet. “We’re representing the country, and this song raises morale
Just once I'd like journalists to point out nonsense non-sequitur. Fascism is exactly a belief in superiority of one's national or racial identity and the inferiority of others. Then they immediately position themselves as victims again.
Friendly reminder to all that one of the core principles in being Jewish is a belief that you are the chosen children of G-d. Many take that for the bullshit that it is but rest assured there are more Jews than you would care to admit that believe it.
Source - my ex is Jewish and I have 3 kids that are the chosen children of G-d and I am not. Should we all die I don't get to be buried in a Jewish cemetery with them. That's how stupid it is.
Friendly reminder that this is person is an idiot and this is a deeply incorrect explanation of the Jewish religious understanding of jews' relationship to God. In talmudic tradition, it is more or less correct to say that jews are understood to be in a contractual relationship with God.
I suspect this person has a bad relationship with their ex, and has decided to weave a cloak of straws to justify their shitty relationship and the community and familial support their ex receives to their personal disadvantage. It's a weirdly common vector of effectively unintentional antisemitism. That, or they might just be dumb.
Never claimed I wasn't an idiot. My understanding is sound. I spent 20 years in a relationship with her and have 3 beautiful children and am still amicable and friends with her family. They are not religious obviously as I am a non-jew. As with any religion the more you get into the religion the crazier it gets. Now obviously there's a lot of nuance but as an idiot I'm also explaining for idiots. Very simply put Jewish people are taught a belief that they are "special" in the eyes of G-d. More than Christians. More than Muslims. Yes you can argue other religions do the same thing but I would argue it's not as codified.
Sure I'm antisemitic. I have a weird way of showing it being the one to force my kids to still do all the traditional stuff and strongly encouraging they visit Israel when they are old enough.
Methinks reading so much out of a single comment on Lemmy perhaps you are the idiot.
What did dua lipa do?! I know Bella is Palestinian and Mia said something.
Called for a ceasefire apparently. You know, because she's a normal human being that doesn't like to see babies get blown up.
Why is it so fucking hard for the U.S. to see Israel for what it is. I mean, as an agnostic I know exactly why, but I still have to ask my country why we can't call out genocide when we can fucking see it?
It's like sitting on the sidelines of the holocaust and just saying...well...we have interests in that region, so let's hold on a minute.
If there is one thing this whole affair is bringing up in the West is just how extremelly racist even the people who loudly proclaim themselves as "progressives" really are.
You see it when they pull out the anti-semite card to try and bat away criticism of Israel: even if Israel indeed represented all Jews (itself a racist assumption because it presumes "all Jews are the same and think the same"), the etnicity of the people mass murdering civilians because of their etnicity, having any weight on ones judgment of their actions is incredibly racist (of the "different weights for different races" kind).
Personally what I see is people who never stopped being prejudiced racists who judge people on their etnicity rather than their actual actions, only some etnic groups became less fashionable to overly be racist against whilst others did not - the architecture of racism is still well in place and in use, it's just that for certain etnicities the prejudices changed.
How on earth did you come up with the idea that this is a progressive thing? It's overwhelmingly conservatives and neoliberals using the "anti-Semitism" charge in defense of genocide.
The overwhelming absence of critique in liberal newspapers can be seen as evidence of self censorship due to "anti-semitism". But corporatism / imperialism can also explain that. The charge of antisemitism is always hurdled at pro-palestinian (anti-genocide) protesters. Liberal media was also arguing "(a free Palestine) from the river to the sea" is a call to genocide.
Yes, liberal newspapers. Liberals are not progressives.
That sound a lot like the No True Scottsman Falacy.
Every single time I've seen politicians in the Anglo-Saxon world harping all about moral liberalism, they're also the same politicians that are "relaxed about wealth" and don't really talk much about how it's wealth discrimination which inflicts the most pain and removes the opportunities for those who are the sons and daughters of those who before were pushed into poverty due to discrimination.
You can't solve the problems from past discrimination that threw people into the pit by keeping the pit going, the ladders to it up and its walls tall and near unsurmountable - if you're not talking about social mobility, the social safety net, worker rights and equal access to Justice, Education and Health independently of wealth when you're talking about discrimination, then you're just another Neolib trying to pass yourself as a leftie as there's no progress in that since you're just keeping the shackles on the descendents of the victims of discrimination (along with a whole lot of other people who just happen to have been born in the less wealty classes).
It's not. In US politics, liberals will often try to paint themselves as progressives, but the policies they hold and the funding for their campaigns tell a very different story.
The banner carrier for the progressive movement in the US is clearly Bernie Sanders, and he doesn't pull this shit. Neither does AOC, or the rest of the "squad". Nobody in progressive media does either.
On the Republican side, it's even more obvious. Republicans have been the driving force behind the anti-BDS movement. Biden might be splitting hairs in his mixed messaging on Israel, but not the Republicans. Republicans are solidly behind Israel in their genocide of Gaza.
Of all the possible political ideologies you could single out for this in America, "progressives" would be the least accurate.
We didn't get involved in WW2 because of the Holocaust. There were plenty of newspaper articles about it all over the country well before Pearl Harbor, and nothing was done until we were attacked directly.
Because the US supports genocide.