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‘Not acceptable in a democracy’: UN expert condemns lengthy Just Stop Oil sentences (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

People in here are arguing about whether the government should be able to allow or disallow protests, i.e. "legal" or "illegal" protests.

I think Denmark has a good middle ground solution to this: Protests must be declared to the police ahead of time, so they know it is happening. Note that this is not an application or an ask for permission! You always have permission, you only have to make the police aware that you are protesting, so they can monitor it and ensure it follows law and order and doesn't turn violent.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

France works that way as well.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

On paper, but the city will still say "Friday's not good for us, how about next never?" Then the protest still happens but now the police can say the protest was announced too late and is violent while setting a corn field on fire with their tear gas. Which just happened this weekend.

[–] thrawn@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Should be like, two days or more’s warning is the only requirement, they can’t say no. In Denmark, it’s 24 hours but they can prevent it.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Well, there's the theory and the practice...

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You always have permission*

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[–] turtlepower@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago (12 children)

Protestation IS democracy you fucking fascists.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

Guys, I'm planning to cause a traffic jam, and you all are invited.

Oh wait, that's just normal traffic. Oh well, see y'all in jail.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is not acceptable anywhere. This "in a democracy" bit is just taking away blaim from dictator who do this kind of stuff all the time.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

No, the point of the sentence isn't to take away blame. It is to compare them to dictatorships. I.E. Add more blame

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