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Warframe Staff Reveals Intel's 14th & 13th Gen CPUs Responsible For Instability Issues, i9-13900K Takes Up A Major Portion (wccftech.com)
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[–] GuStJaR@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I've posted this before but posting here in the hope others might benefit from it.

I was having issues with crashes in multiple games but rdr2 was the worst. I had a rig built with an i9 14900k and Asus hero z790.

I finally found the solution and it was to do with the default bios settings for my Asus MB and my i9 14900k.

In the document linked here...

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/743844/13th-generation-intel-core-and-intel-core-14th-generation-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2.html

Page 98, Table 17, Row 3: Reveals the stock turbo power limits for the 13900K and 14900K CPUs are 253W, not the 4,000+ my MB's Bios settings default to. Page 184, Table 77, Row 6: Lists the maximum current limit at 307A, far below the MB's default of 500+A.

I found this information in a Reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1axepvu/optimizing_stability_for_intel_13900k_and_14900k/) and followed the settings as follows:

ASUS Z790 Motherboards:

Save your current settings into a profile so you can return to them later if you want.

Reset your BIOS to default settings. Ai Tweaker tab:

Disable MultiCore Enhancement.

Enable XMP(if your RAM supports it).

Set SVID behavior to Typical Scenario.

Set short duration turbo power = 253

Set long duration turbo power = 253

Set max core/cache current = 307Amps

Doing this immediately stabilised the CPU temps as well as bring down the average temp by ~10 to 15c. It's been a few months now with zero crashes.

Hope this helps someone

[–] pistonfish 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

the 4,000+

Intel is slowly getting crazy with their power consumption.

But in all seriousness. From what I've heard in the last few months, many ASUS boards just give more power than the CPU is rated for. This supposedly killed a lot of AMD chips recently. 4kw still seems like an error. This ain't an electrical vehicle.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It just damaged mine, it was crashing all the time before I messed around and tried power limiting mine. It was about 2 weeks before it got revealed that it was a wide spread issue.

I don't think I caught it early enough, though, because I have a lot of problems with my USB controller. It can only handle like two or three devices plugged in at a time before things stop working. But, technically, it still works, so... I think I'd have trouble making a warranty claim.

[–] BlackLaZoR@kbin.run 19 points 5 months ago

not the 4,000+

Unlimited powah!

[–] subignition@fedia.io 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

the stock turbo power limits [...] are 253W, not the 4,000+ my MB's Bios settings default to.

The comma makes me think you didn't add an extra zero by mistake... What in the actual fuck? I admittedly haven't messed with any CPU clocks since like 2014, but an increase of nearly 16x over stock feels like absolutely bonkers nonsense. Like that just seems so out of spec that your computer should just catch fire. Like the hardware shouldn't even allow it.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In fairness the motherboard not restricting power usage isn't a bad thing: it's not like it's shoving 4000w through the cpu, it's just letting the cpu pull as much as it wants which, with a non-defective piece of silicon, is probably fine.

A modern CPU shouldn't pull enough power that it kills itself, unless there's a major failure in design or manufacturing.

Sure, the CPU gets hotter with more power and sure, the last 5% of performance is a third of the total power usage and probably not worth chasing, but them's the design decisions x86 vendors are making right now and the motherboard (assuming it can deliver enough clean power) shrugging and saying 'whatever' is, outside factors aside, fine.

Also, that 253w TDP limit on a i7 or i9 is a bit low. Yes Intel's spec says that, but intel lies like crazy on power usage, and pretty much always has. These are chips that will happily gain performance up to about 400w of total draw, so capping at half that is a bit of a kneecapping, though it MIGHT keep them from failing as fast, but who knows.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 2 points 5 months ago

Thanks for the further detail! I suppose I wasn't aware that the CPU was still in control of how much power it could draw.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

bring down the average temp by ~10 to 15c.

Your cpu temp is at 15C? Is your room very cold, otherwise will you not have problems with condensation?

Edit: nvm, you mean 10-15c, I just read it wrong in my head.

[–] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

oh shit

when you've got a significant game studio calling you out you know your pants are on fire

[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Considering Warframe is capable of looking great while running on three potatoes in series, it really goes to show that those CPUs shouldn't have any issue with running it ever.. Plus they have a very robust crash reporter.

[–] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago

agreed even my poor decision purchase 1800x ran it pretty well so it's not looking good for Intel

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

looking great while running on three potatoes in series

Fuck me man that got a good half minute of laughing out me. I need to remember that shit forever.

[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago

It used to just be one, but they upped their system requirements awhile back. And again more recently it seems. The first was dropping 32 bit processor support as it accounted for something close to 60% of all crashes with less than 5% of the playerbase running a system that old. I don't remember the exact numbers, but one of the devs who works on optimizing everything and bug hunting made a comment on his stream many moons ago.

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Warframe has advised its users not to tinkle with their Intel processor.

Good advice. Also, best not to tinker with Intel 13th and 14th gen until this is sorted out either.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You mean I'm not supposed to take it out of the socket every time I go to the bathroom? 🤔

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

How else are you supposed to cool it?

[–] proper@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ugh, this is the cause of “the first descendant” issues too, I just know it. Guess which CPU I own 😣

[–] PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

I have an older Ryzen and had no problems with FD until recently. I’m not doubting your personal rig has issues likely tied to this faulty chip, it’s probably also being made worse by their servers.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Gensible for cshes.

OK

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

That comes from the description in the page's HTML. Maybe their server uses an Intel processor.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"I turn little black worms, into potato cshes."

[–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

If I could give you a loaf of bread for the joy you have brought here, I would