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[โ€“] CylustheVirus@beehaw.org 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wew lad but can you ever tell this is .ml.

So, thought experiment for you. What do you need to overthrow a government and oust a bunch of rich assholes from power? Well, you need power of your own, right? You need loyal comrades.

And say you actually manage it. Chances are it was tough. Some didn't make it. But now you're sitting on all this wealth and power. Are you just going to give it back? To who? What if someone abuses it?

You're the one who did the work. You're the one with a vision for the future. And now you have these loyal comrades and surely they deserve something for their sacrifices and hard work?

And so it goes.

Anyway, it's less about Communism as a set of ideas and more about what power does to revolutionaries and how that mixes with the local culture.

Or the CIA made it all up because Mao and Stalin et al did nothing wrong. ๐Ÿ™„

[โ€“] angel@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

Or the CIA made it all up because Mao and Stalin et al did nothing wrong. ๐Ÿ™„

They made mistakes. But overall their countries were a gazillion times better from their influence.

e.g. From 1950 to 1980, life expectancy at birth in China grew from between 35 and 40 years to 65.5 years, one of the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history

[โ€“] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

With the USSR overthrown, virtually all mainstream media now is capitalist propaganda. And the capitalist class obviously would not want the working class to prefer a system where workers are in power.

[โ€“] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Being familiar with Bulgarian corruption, I'm going to confidently state that their percentages aren't due to a rounding error.

I was in Hungary last year and the nostalgia for communism is high and a significant portion of the population still remembers all the bad parts - Orban has really destroyed the social safety nets there and it hurts to see.

[โ€“] angel@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

Hungary was also the best part of the Soviet Bloc to live in for the people.

So it's not just that modern Hungary is worse: communist Hungary is more miss-able than communist East Germany.

Nigel Swain's two books on the subject are good:

  • Collective Farms Which Work? (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1985)

  • Hungary: The Rise and Fall of Feasible Socialism (London: New Left Books, 1992)

He's writing from the perspective of a non-red English academic who's like.... "wait... this works?? how do we explain the anomaly?"

Hungary had full shelves, booming agriculture, available consumer goods.

[โ€“] Sgn@programming.dev -1 points 4 months ago

Their governments have more or full control