Nice. Another model trained on GPL code.
this post was submitted on 31 May 2024
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I looked into this previously, and found that there is a major problem for most users in the Terms of Service at https://codeium.com/terms-of-service-individual.
Their agreement talks about "Autocomplete User Content" as meaning the context (i.e. the code you write, when you are using it to auto-complete, that the client sends to them) - so it is implied that this counts as "User Content".
Then they have terms saying you licence them all your user content:
"By Posting User Content to or via the Service, you grant Exafunction a worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid right and license (with the right to sublicense through multiple tiers) to host, store, reproduce, modify for the purpose of formatting for display and transfer User Content, as authorized in these Terms, in each instance whether now known or hereafter developed. You agree to pay all monies owing to any person or entity resulting from Posting your User Content and from Exafunction’s exercise of the license set forth in this Section."
So in other words, let's say you write a 1000 line piece of software, and release it under the GPL. Then you decide to trial Codeium, and autocomplete a few tiny things, sending your 1000 lines of code as context.
Then next week, a big corp wants to use your software in their closed source product, and don't want to comply with the GPL. Exafunction can sell them a licence ("sublicence through multiple tiers") to allow them to use the software you wrote without complying with the GPL. If it turns out that you used some GPLd code in your codebase (as the GPL allows), and the other developer sues Exafunction for violating the GPL, you have to pay any money owing.
I emailed them about this back in December, and they didn't respond or change their terms - so they are aware that their terms allow this interpretation.
These things cost money to run, so how are they offering it for free? Who's paying for it? How do they profit from our using it? What's the catch?
Edit: Someone else here found that the license basically means all the code you write with it becomes theirs. Seems like we found the catch.
Edit: Someone else here found that the license basically means all the code you write with it becomes theirs. Seems like we found the catch.
Bahaha if this is true, then this tool is basically pathetic as it's almost completely useless.
I'm using GitHub Copilot and haven't dug into the license. It's possible I'm technically handing all my code over to Microsoft.
You mean our code?
It's all just the same shit copy pasted from StackOverflow from 1998 😂
Sounds interesting, I've never used copilot and I'm not a programmer by profession (I just write a few scripts here and there for data analysis or experiment control), but I'm interested in checking this out. Has anyone here tried it? I'm worried it'll get in my way more often than it helps.
I have been able GPT4 to do some basic scripting, but gpt3.5 did not succeeded anything for me. The first plan with gpt4 is 12bucks a month.
If you only code not often, continue.dev is good alternative plugged to a provider like together (using Llama 3 70b a few times and cost me 0.01$). They also announced a partnership with mistral but didn't tried it.
The first plan with gpt4 is 12bucks a month.
Gpt-4o (the newest model) is free for a limited number of messages.
I haven't tested it on programming yet. Have you tried it? How is it?
I've used it with Python for data extraction and visualization last week. It worked worked surprisingly well 90% of the time. But when it failed to produce the code I wanted, it was difficult to trouble shoot and find a way around.
It helped a lot to break the tasks down as much as possible. It also remembered stylistic guidelines from several prompts ago
Does anyone know what they are doing with context data send to their system? Could only find that the saas version had some audit, but didn't know that term.
It sounds interesting enough to try it in day to day work, but we can't use most AI tools so far as it violates our company rules when we send parts of the code base as context.
Really need to speak to our lawyer again about this...