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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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Michael Sussman was instrumental in establishing which species founded the Federation. "My phone rings and Brannon [Braga] says, 'Mike, real quick - who are the founding species of the Federation?' What flipped through my mind," recalled Sussman, "was that it had never been established, but there had been a lot of fan speculation going back to 'Journey to Babel' that many of those races - the Tellarites, the Andorians and the little gold guys - were among the founding members. For that quarter of a second I'm thinking, 'What do I tell him? If I say it's never been decided he might make up a couple of new races and that might set certain people off'. So I basically lied to him and said 'Oh yeah, it's Andorians and Tellarites.' He put it in the script and now it's canon!" (Star Trek: The Official Starships Collection, issue 37, p. 15)

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

And then you basically see neither of them again after TOS and some films until Enterprise. They definitely aren't in TNG or Voyager and if they're in DS9, it's in the background where I never noticed.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lower Decks does them some justice. I just thought the history of choosing who the founding members were was interesting.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Definitely. It just always bothered me that they just ignored both of them for years.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, but Enterprise did them so well that it almost makes up for it. And then we got Jankom and the Tellarites on Disco.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

I know, but as someone who grew up watching TOS, I spent so long waiting to see a Tellarite or an Andorian again.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There are only two Andorians shown in TNG: one was a holographic depiction as a possible appearance for Lal, and the other was in the background on Risa.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I forgot about the hologram for Lal, but I don't remember the one in the Risa background.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hey, it's possibly Bashir's relative!

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I like to imagine Bashir looked it up when he got back to his time and found out she was a different Watley, so he would have been safe to fuck her. Damn, missed opportunity!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ha. "What do you mean that costume was just for one episode?! You think Paramount is made of money or something?"

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The Risa one was just 3 episodes later, too!

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who are the little gold guys.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Not founding members, but still early entrants. The Aaamazzarites.

Per co-creator Robert Fletcher:

AAAMAZZARITES – Therbians from planet Aaamazzara. They generate their own clothing from out of own mouths, like bees making hives. They manufacture everything they use from their own chemistry, from inside their own body, from clothing to furniture.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Very handy.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

So if you need to build a house you spend half the time in all you can eat buffets. Neat AND healthy.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

At first glance, I thought Terrians from Earth 2 kind of vaguely looks like those guys.

[–] electric@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

What a based man. Just re-watched the Romulan drone ship episodes yesterday, so fun having those two species on screen.