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Let's make Windows 10 the last version ever used!

*Sat. 28 Dec. 11h* Stage YELL #KDEEco 's Call To Action against e-waste driven by #Windows10.

https://events.ccc.de/congress/2024/hub/en/event/opt-green-coordinating-a-windows-10-to-linux-upcycling-campaign-across-free-software-communities-worldwide/

*Mon. 30 Dec. 13-15h* B&B habitat join the BoF to organize a global #FreeSoftware campaign to raise awareness of Windows 10's EoL in 2025, the role of software in #eWaste, and how independent, sustainable #FOSS is a solution to keep devices in use & out of the landfill.

https://fahrplan.alpaka.space/jugend-hackt-38c3-2024/talk/ST8NJA/

#38C3 #KDE #OpenSource

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[–] dragonlobster@programming.dev 3 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I think the single biggest issue I have with Linux is package management. Maybe this is purely distribution dependent, but for example in Ubuntu most of the packages are way outdated, not even on the latest stable version. Then I either have to:

  1. Build from source which means I gotta also install all dependencies and pray that the thing builds
  2. Add some rando PPA which I have no idea if I should trust
  3. Use "flatpaks" or "appimages"

None of those options are appealing. And along with these multiple options I end up having multiple versions of things installed in different locations in different ways and also my PATH ends up a big mess, I think I'm just doing something very wrong.

[–] unyons 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Flatpak for the Win!

Get it? For the WIN?

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 2 points 10 hours ago
[–] amon@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

That joke is so good you've been snapped out of existence.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 4 points 16 hours ago

Flatpaks environment now is the closest to the Windows experience.

Open the app store (GNOME Software / KDE Discover), search, click install, click run.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (11 children)

As someone who is way into the idea of Linux, wants to switch, and is very gun-shy about the million little programs and extensions I might not be able to replace, let me tell you what is required of anybody who is actually genuine in their desire to see Linux gain the traction it deserves:

Don't ever tell anybody to read the manual again. Just answer the god damn question. It's good when answers to basic, common problems are peppered around the internet like that; it's dumb and wrong and weird to think of it as a thing to be avoided. If you'd like to put a link to the part of the manual where the questioner could have looked to find it, that's cool, too. Don't just leave the link--there's a good chance they didn't understand it and that's why they're asking. Maybe they just want a person-answer instead of a reference-manual-answer, and it's good when the answer exists in both forms. Every answered question is a contribution.

I would go even further: the version of reality where Linux beats Windows and ushers in an era of community-centric open source dominance is populated by a Linux community that considers "rtfm", "pebcac", etc to be borderline bannable offenses. If you are a small, weak person, and want Linux to be your way of thinking you're better than other people, you'll drive question-askers away, back to Inferiority Land, using your knowledge to dunk on them instead of help them, and call it a win. These are the ugly bridge trolls, who may as well be paid Microsoft employees, keeping people away from your community, and a serious change of pace might yield much smoother adoption. At the very least, the community owes it to their own work to see how much smoother.

As someone considering the switch seriously, the knowledge that I may have to deal with people like that is absolutely, 100% a factor, and I am someone who has no qualms about telling someone on the internet to fuck off, so it's gonna be more of an issue for many others who are more conflict-averse.

The Linux community needs to take very seriously whether it actually wants increased open source adoption, or if it wants to remain a tiny minority so that it has a nice, large majority to feel better than.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I always try to help new users. I was a beginner once so I know how it feels to be told to rtfm by some cunt. Half the time I have an issue i'll search it up only to find some reddit post with someone asking the same question and getting shit on by elitists who have nothing going on in their own lives. In any case, if you ever need help I or someone else would be happy to help to the best of our ability.

[–] Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hate it when you Google an issue and all you can find is a Reddit thread of the same problem where the only response is someone saying to Google it

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'll take that over the windows 'support' forums where the people with superuser titles don't understand basic questions and the answer tends to be to see if it gets fixed in a future version of windows.

And those posts are a decade old because they were never fixed.

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[–] DesertDwellingWeirdo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So many cheap laptops are about to hit the market, and I'm ready for it.

My gaming desktop is the last barrier to a full transition, but I've been buying exclusively games with a Linux release for over a year now. Buckshot Roulette, Deep Rock Galactic, Hearts of Iron, Lethal Company, Project Zomboid... There's quite a few big ones.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 0 points 16 hours ago

I just want a Windows base kernal that I can build my own OS off of. My own DE, my own programs, I want DX12 and NT. I want File Explorer and driver support for days.

But I also want freedom to not have a giant open hole where my data just dumps into a Microsoft cloud environment.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's what they don't understand.

Every year is the year of the Linux desktop, that's why we say it every year.

~random 4chan post I'm surely misquoting

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Never thought Id upvote a KDE post...

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What's not to love about KDE?

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

It not a tiling wm by default :(

[–] gyro@chitter.xyz 21 points 2 days ago (5 children)

@be4foss
@kde @NafiTheBear

I would really love it if we could get normal people using Linux but Linux has to come to them in terms of usability, to be honest. The Steam Deck did it, so it's clearly doable.

But in the state of things we're in, I'm afraid that *most people* are gonna follow Windows to Windows 11. and their understandings of how computing is will be mutilated by it.

and therefore we get more anprims per capita, because if you think that's not at least in part downstream of big tech fuckery you're lying to yourself

[–] cy@fedicy.us.to 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Linux ain't the problem there. Usability is more of that nonsense thought up by corporations to scare people. Computers are tricky, whether Windows or Linux, and the only reason Windows is more popular is they've been installing it on people's computers without asking for decades. Honestly most people don't even have computers these days. All they get to have is a phone.

CC: @be4foss@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social @NafiTheBear@bears.town

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I agree. I am quite comfortable with computers but, since I have switched to Linux about 10 years ago, I struggle any time I am asked for help on a Windows system.

It's not intuitive at all. Among the quirks, there are still 2 separate control panels that overlap, but not completely, then you have ever-buggy OneDrive, invasive notifications, a convoluted Start menu, …

People find it simple only because they are used to it.

[–] NafiTheBear@bears.town 7 points 2 days ago

@gyro @be4foss @kde the goal of that event is very ambitious I agree, but if I see that alone this year I myself made 4 friends and my mom to move to Linux then getting Linux to a solid market share and minimalising waste is a practicable goal.

I wouldn't say it was easy. It is hard work and explaining a normal person what the difference between X11 and Wayland is is next to impossible.

There will be some people who just can't afford a new PC and we basically just need to help them.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I’m still using my thinkpad that’s 11 years running Linux mint beautifully.

[–] suzune@ani.social 21 points 2 days ago

I'm doing my part.

I unregistered my Win 10 key last Sunday and removed the SSD. All my IT is Windows free.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You're quite late. I don't know if you've heard, but they've got Windows 11 now. There are people using it. Not me, but people.

[–] ArchAengelus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 days ago (11 children)

All true. The point is that win 11 doesn’t support a lot of old hardware that’s perfectly usable, just doesn’t have TPM2.0 chips built into them. There are some hacks around it, but it takes a great deal of desire and proficiency to make them work.

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[–] Suoko@feddit.it 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

W11 is like vista, all frills and no substance. Some people will skip the upgrade due to slowness (it's slow with i7+16gb sometimes) and in case of users who use chrome only, ChromeOS flex or its siblings could be a solution.

[–] forza4galicia@anonsys.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@Suoko @be4foss Chrome and ChromeOS are not solutions. Only free/libre software can be a solution, and Chrome and ChromeOS/ChromeOS flex are not totally Free/Libre (free as in free speech).

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 1 points 9 hours ago

You can still go openfyde if you really need to

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I relent, I need to switch. the proposed bullshit has gotten to much for even me, the world's laziest man.

Just a lazy man in a worky world. Should have been born a Limited Liability Corporation.

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[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Linux isn't ready for the mass Market yet. I say that as someone that has been a Windows free household for like over 8 years and who actively attempts to convert as many of my friends as I can.

It is not and probably never will be general market ready. Too fragmented and too many options. Which is why I love it so I wouldn't want it to change either.

[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is ready if you start learning it from children, but people first touches a Windows machine, and then they get used to what they already know.

Example of someone that never touched a Windows, post from 2 years ago: https://duncanlock.net/blog/2022/04/06/using-windows-after-15-years-on-linux/

And I read people that claims they are better on Ubuntu because is what they first started to use (because of lack of money) and now they find it hard to use Windows, because they got used to Linux and they aren't either programmers.

Maybe what Linux needs is marketing. The Steam console is an example of how well it sells.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 day ago

Some Valve documentation was released concerning third party hardware shipping with SteamOS. Big if true.

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