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You can't even speak frankly here. I came to Lemmy because I was tired of being censored by Reddit, but it seems like this place is just as restrictive on speech as Reddit was.
People, if we are going to talk about systemic change for a better world, violence has to be a tool in the toolbox.
Locking this for similar reasons as I did another recent post, except this one is explicitly encouraging violent action. Further, MasterBlaster420, you seem unable to have this discussion without resorting to insulting people left and right.
See the following:
With this in mind, it would probably be wiser to permanently ban you from this community, but instead I'm giving a temporary ban. I'd encourage you to reflect on how you approach discussing this subject. Rather than suggesting general violence for enacting change, read further on the histories relating to the subject and really engage with them.
Recognize why there's an aversion to violence, who takes advantage of it to subvert its aims, and whether it may be better to help and organize those that align with you, than repel them into the arms of those you oppose.
If everywhere you go is shit, maybe you've stepped on it
Some people want the society transformed into a theocracy, or an ethno state, or a national socialist state. Some people think no one should own a personal car or a big house.
Do you accept violence from these people against you and your loved ones?
of course not. please follow through with your point so i can offer a further explanation.
All these people think their idea of a society is the best - same as you do.
of course they do. that's my entire point. debate is useless. if you don't start fighting for the society you want to live in, somebody else is, and you're gonna be living in their 'perfect world'. you need to decide which side you're on.
If you consistently run into the problem that nobody wants to hear what you're saying, maybe it's time to stop saying it.
I'm not saying EVERY case, but, maybe consider it.
why would i change my fundamental understanding of rational morality based on popular opinion? i believe that there are more limp-wristed pacifists out there than there are warriors with a conscience, but that just means i need to amplify myself even more so people understand what's at stake.
Or, you can just keep thinking that you're the ONLY one who has ever figured out the solution. π€·π»ββοΈ
see? that's what i'm talking about! i know i'm not alone in thinking "man, all this shit would be a lot easier if there were a lot less conservatives in the world". but where the fuck do we go to talk about that?
You don't. You don't talk about stupid shit like that.
Read what you put in quotes, but replace Conservatives with, well, pretty much anything, and you'll summarize the philosophy of every genocidal dictator in history.
Here's an easy example to get you started:
Jews and Hitler.
and you're foolish enough to be duped by goose and gander arguments, which is why lawful good people will always lose to lawful evil. sorry you don't get it. wish i could tell you to get back with me in 10 years, but it'll be too late by then. you're going to see what happens when you fight fairly with sociopaths.
Your very use of the word limpwristed points the way to why you're not being taken seriously. If you want to build and promote a violent a movement you need to be the change you wish to see in this world. Start a Matrix server, install Signal, develop a comms SOP and get out to protest and speak with like minded individuals. Arm yourselves, learn tactics and discuss plans in private. Join the SRA https://socialistra.org/
There's plenty of info on how to do this all over the onion network.
But you sound more like an agent provocateur. There's a long history of people like you that discredit leftist and anarchist movements. We don't want you in public spaces shouting violent rhetoric and making us even more of a target for state violence.
hey man, i appreciate your sincere reply and i'll definitely check out the links. I'm just a little wary of calling myself a socialist - not because i'm not a socialist (i definitely am), but just because it pigeon-holes my goals a little bit, while also alienating a lot of people who may not think of it that way. i just see a myriad of problems in which the only solution is to get rid of the conservatives blocking progress.
also, there really are a bunch of limp-wristed pacifists out there and i don't see why they shouldn't be labeled as such. light a fire under their pansy asses.
You are free to vent your opinion but other people are free to not agree. Or listen. Or care. What you going to do? Enact violence on everybody?
Talk about violence on a social media platform is a legal liability. Who should take that risk on? Corporations? Random private citizens who happen to run an instance of lemmy?
If you want to talk about violence so badly, you will have to either find a platform that will take that risk on, or take the risk onto yourself.
People advocating these things are never willing to put their money where their mouth is and create their own instance. Anyone can create their own instance, it just never seems to be them.
Meanwhile this person seems to be perfectly content with feds bashing down my door because of stuff they say, just not their door.
This feels like a dare to me. I don't create my own instances because i don't want to spend all my time tinkering with some BS on the internet, but it looks like I need to put my money where my mouth is. I'll be right back.
Not daring. Just saying Lemmy can absolutely accommodate you, but we're individuals, we are held personally liable for what is posted. If you want to post that sort of content you can, the beauty of the fediverse is that you or your group can easily spin up your own instance and say whatever you like. But then you are also personally responsible for that.
I used to be very open to privacy on mine until someone sent waves of spambots at it and then I had to lock it down. I wanted to allow people from tor and vpns but then I quickly realized I would be the one in trouble if anything was said. I just can't have that amount of risk, I just wanted to host a small community.
If you run a tor relay, and encrypt all traffic, and do not store data locally, and make sure not to do any other nefarious activity online. There are legal resources to help you. But yes, it is a very very very shitty experience if the alphabet agencies come knocking. Expect to be audited, and have your employer and family members interviewed.
https://www.eff.org/pages/legal-faq-tor-relay-operators
If you're not able or willing (completely understandable) to run a tor node consider donating to the EFF who will defend tor relay hosts.
I actually read that exact one when I had just set it up. I came over during the big Reddit exodus and was so excited to set up my instance, just a small one with a few communities that I felt like I could handle. The downside is it's the whole of the fediverse, and I quickly had to defed from several instances and had to moderate way more than I'd like. It's honestly exhausting, and then the whole CSAM attacks happened, and then the spam attacks, and it's a lot for one guy.
I broke down during the first csam attacks, I saw some horrific shit. I luckily was in therapy and talked about it, but goddamn do they post the worst things out there. I never thought I'd have contacts with federal agencies as a reporter (in the US if you host a site you are a mandated reporter), but here we are. All because I just wanted to talk about pop music.
And then people wonder why I don't allow other material. I can barely handle the okayish material posted, let alone actual vile shit that comes my way, no one prepped me for that. I give kudos to others who do, the lemmy.world admins are way stronger than I am, but damn are there a lot of people out there who just want to ruin the little communities we have.
So, back to the OP, that's why I kneejerk reacted there. It's not nearly as fun hosting this as I thought it would be, and I've debated many times shutting it down, but I believe in the fediverse and open social media so I try to keep it up. It's constant spam fighting, trolling protection, and just a headache, and it's still never enough, users always demand it should be more open, but I just can't.
if we are going to talk about systemic change for a better world, violence has to be a tool in the toolbox
If we are going to talk about change, we should absolutely talk about it, discuss it, vote on candidates instituting it. Violence is the instant death of talk, discussion, and the democratic process.
sounds like what a lawful good sucker would say.
violence is the beginning of a wonderful conversation if you're serious about change. if you're a naive sucker that thinks that YOUR generation will be the one that finally does it through democracy, then lol. just lol.
i believe in democracy. we just need to eliminate about 10% of the voters that keep the wrong institutions in power.
show me how it will change any other way in time to avoid the dystopia at our doorstep.