My guess is: Both were recommended, admins deleted the one mentioning Lemmy, since it's an actual threat.
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I don't even think so. My post about the latest version of Voyager explicitly mentions Lemmy and is still up, but with only 22 points
Mentioning an app update isn't exactly a "call to action".
"Lemmy Now Supports [New Feature]! Come join us now!" that is what might get removed
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I would be interested in helping with a coordinated effort to promote Lemmy instances on Reddit. Sometimes I check in on /r/RedditAlternatives and it's clear 90% of the people who would be happy with Lemmy have already left for Lemmy. But there are many threads where a simple "maybe check out Lemmy I like it a lot" could do a lot of help. It's not like users need to quit Reddit but every post on a Lemmy instance (even if it's also on Reddit) helps make our instances more appealing.
Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea? And we could get talking points aligned as well.
Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea?
Sounds like a great idea! Any reason these couldn't be posted right here in !fedigrow@lemm.ee? I think promoting the fediverse and growing the userbase falls well within the scope of c/fedigrow.
Certainly would fit here but a dedicated space I think would function better for coordinating a specific task.
!fedigrow@lemm.ee should definitely work, I'll have try to see if there were recent posts and try to link them there
However, be aware thar most of the mods are going to remove mentions of Reddit alternatives.
I was a mod for over a decade, believe me even if it gets removed, a quickly-upvoted comment will still get tons of attention 😈
The annoying part is getting banned and not being able to comment anymore 😔
I'd rather have people migrate over organically. I think Reddit was spoiled for me when it went from a niche collection of interesting people and topics to Facebook in a forum format. Almost anytime I go on r/all now i couldn't tell if the posts were recent or bot reposts from 5 years ago. The smaller subreddits still keep the spirit of the place going but the general community is just another social network.
What makes this non organic? I learned about reddit on digg and Lemmy on Reddit. Seemed organic to me.
Maybe they just expect users to accidentally type in the name of a Lemmy instance into the URL bar? Is that organic enough?
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Nothing actually seems real on Reddit anymore. Comments are fake and every story someone tells is fake too. News is just pushed by propaganda algorithms. It’s all gone to 💩
I’ll enjoy it here while it lasts.
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I say let them try the website themselves. If they liked using that website, then it's okay. If they don't like it then it's okay too, maybe they'll try lemmy out.
A comment saying
Lemmy is federated, with communities scatered around different servers. If someone is gonna search for an alternative to reddit, I doubt they want to have to learn to navigate the fediverse.
Currently has 15 votes, while my comment suggesting people to try Lemmy as it's bigger is down to 2.
I'm not sure if Lemmy just has a very bad reputation over there in general, or if Discuit people are brigading the comments
People find the "which 'Gaming' community is the real one?" issue very frustrating, because they currently have the illusion that they have access to everything all in one place. The idea that you can't have a discussion with a million other people is meaningless to them, totally crushed under the weight of FOMO.
They look at Reddit, and they look at Lemmy, and they see that they're different, but don't really care why. They see that different (not more, just different) effort is required to navigate the space. They don't care that they just need a different mental model to understand the space -- they don't want one. And the design language of the space communicates to them that they don't need one.
I'm not going to get up on my soapbox and rant and rave about this today -- I'm too tired, and it's too busy of a week -- but this is what I mean when I keep saying we can't win against centralized social media by aping the UI. "Lemmy" just isn't a Reddit replacement in the same way that another centralized service is. A Lemmy-based website, sure. But not the network of them.
totally crushed under the weight of FOMO.
Wouldn't they have FOMO by not following /r/Gaming, /r/Games, /r/Videogames, etc. as well?
And the design language of the space communicates to them that they don’t need one.
They don't really need one. They can just open https://vger.app/ , see that it's quite similar to what Apollo used to be, then have a look around and see if they like it. They don't need to understand federation to lurk. They don't need to understand federation to install an app.
If they click on the vote or comment buttons, Voyager suggests them to register an account on Lemm.ee. Again, no need to understand what federation is to get it running.
Reddit could be manipulating votes that mention Lemmy, or otherwise shadowbanning mentions of it.
It could be that a first glance at lemmy is total shit. The "front page" is a hot mess, half in German with piles of pervy anime and Linux posts. It might be hard to believe, but not everyone likes that stuff. It takes heavy curating to get a moderately personally interesting feed and very few people are going to do that.
But that's just it, "Lemmy's" front page isn't like that. There's no "Lemmy" front page. There's a thousand different ones.
Reddit is a website. Lemmy is a potentially unlimited, constantly changing, number of websites. They're not directly comparable.
There’s a thousand different ones.
I just opened the following instances without being logged on
- https://lemm.ee/
- https://lemmy.zip/
- https://discuss.tchncs.de/
- https://sh.itjust.works/
- https://lemmy.world/
The same posts are there. You would only get a very different All feed on something like https://beehaw.org, but they are quite unique in that regard.
So, what we mean by "Lemmy", then, is the circle of 5 - 10 largest, unfocused "general interest" Lemmy-based sites?
Because front page of startrek.website and ttrpg.network look quite a bit different. The All page of ttrpg.network is meaningfully, though not radically, different from the All pages on those sites. And you've already mentioned beehaw, which probably should be seen as a better model for how to operate a Lemmy-based website. leminal.space also has a fairly long block list, and its All page is also meaningfully different and less grating than seen on the Big 5.
It looks different depending on which site you're using. Unless you restrict yourself to the sites that do everything the same as one another.
startrek.website
Looks similar to the other instances except if I missed something
ttrpg.network
They have indeed hidden the LW communities somehow, interesting. However, they only have 131 monthly active users.
Leminal.space
If that's just the theme, users of that instance using Voyager or any other alternative frontend wouldn't see any difference. Or am I missing something else?
So, what we mean by “Lemmy”, then, is the circle of 5 - 10 largest, unfocused “general interest” Lemmy-based sites?
I would rather say it's the other way around. On top of the 5 instances I picked, my statement is true for the All feed of most of the instances except the few ones you picked. So on top of the 5, there is at least
- feddit.org
- lemmy.ca
- lemmy.dbzer0.com
- https://lemmy.blahaj.zone
- https://programming.dev
- https://lemmy.sdf.org/
- https://sopuli.xyz/
- https://infosec.pub/
- https://slrpnk.net/
- https://feddit.nl/
- https://lemmy.today/
- https://lemmings.world/
https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy provides a list you can filter by monthly active users.
Most of the instances offer the same All feed, and the ones who do not are the exception rather than the rule.
beehaw, which probably should be seen as a better model for how to operate a Lemmy-based website.
How is defederating the 2 largest instances, and not updating beyond 0.18.4 a better model?
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I thought your parent comment to it was very well stated and succinct.
e.g. you don't have to know how it works anymore than someone needs to know how email or a combustion engine works - you simply click to go there and start reading stuff, if you like it then make an account and start participating as well.:-)
Lemmy requires heavy curation to block extremist content if one is so inclined (as I am), but wasn't Reddit becoming that way too when we left it? And on X I think it simply can't be done at all. It would be neat if we could add a "political" tag to filter by (like NSFW/NSFL), but meh, it is what it is.
Unlike some other instances, the default there is All, so they'll see the entirety of the Fediverse (minus Lemmygrad + Hexbear) even without an account or having to click anything at all. It's the perfect instance to recommend to the Reddit audience that is so heavily American (according to similarweb, 51%:-).
You are doing great work making sure that people are aware of what choices they have available to them - what they do with that is ofc up to them.:-)
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I wasn’t on Reddit for over a year but from what I’ve heard about /r/redditalternatives is that it’s a shitshow.
If somebody is still on Reddit, direct recruitment over DMs might be better if there’s a candidate who might be interested.
Are we hazing people on entrance? I didn't get the memo that we're running a cult over here.
I don't use Reddit, but getting DMs from people telling me to use other platforms sounds like a great way to get me to not try those platforms.
This thread made me go see what's up with Discuit, though, so... food for thought about social media dynamics.
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I wasn’t on Reddit for over a year but from what I’ve heard about /r/redditalternatives is that it’s a shitshow.
It's quite okay to be honest. Not that active, but that's mostly it.
If somebody is still on Reddit, direct recruitment over DMs might be better if there’s a candidate who might be interested.
The issue is that to DM you have to know who is actually interested, and you'll miss most of the lurkers. Also, this could be reported as spamming and get you banned.
Ah, thanks for the info and very good point. Good to hear that it’s not that bad.
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I just had a look at https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta, the thread there has been deleted too.
Not sure what happened, maybe they were afraid they were getting trolls from the post on Reddit?
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