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[–] Emberleaf@lemmy.ml 70 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

When a person or entity is responsible for the untimely deaths of literally thousands of American citizens, the question should be whether or not this was a justifiable homicide. Is a police officer put on trial for shooting and killing a gunman mowing down children at a school? Why is this case different?

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It'd be pretty rough if they couldn't possibly find a jury that would convict, think of how the CEOs of the nation would feel if they realized fully just how many people are entirely okay with eating them.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think Josh Johnson has a killer bit on this, but in it, he was talking about how the news corporations and CEOs and people were horrified to learn that the people are seeing them for how they see us.

We don't see them as human, just like how they don't see us as human.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Of course. He's clearly not guilty. Thompson willingly surrendered his humanity a long time ago, and you can only commit murder against a human. What Luigi did was more like deconstructing a cardboard box or other inanimate object.

He did however leave those shell casings on the sidewalk, and that's just not cool. They should give him a ticket for littering and send him on his way.

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[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 45 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's going to be really difficult to convict him, I'm happy to say. Dude's a hero.

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[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 35 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And yet with millions of people to choose from I don't think they will have a terrible time finding some that are pro-corporation and pro-billionaire and/or sufficiently against killing no matter what the justification.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Isn’t it a random selection (ignoring any possibility for manipulation for a moment) and then each lawyer gets a certain number of objections to a juror?

I guess with this they can still try and stack a CEO sympathetic jury still.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trying to rig the jury to be sympathetic to your side is one essential aspect of good lawyering. The rules are theoretically just objective filters applied to a random sample, but in practice it is a pure contest of skill between the two legal teams.

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[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe set an income limit of $25 million per year to be on the jury?

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

People like that don't do jury duty. Being forced to serve like some peasant is beneath them.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

~~murder~~ societal self-defense

[–] tlou3please@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This is actually quite an interesting case study for jury selection / vetting. The motive clearly relates to political views about the healthcare industry that affect every single American other than extreme outliers. It's therefore pretty impossible to select a jury that can be entirely neutral. Because no matter how politically unengaged they are, it still affects them.

Arguably, the most neutral person would be someone who hasn't interacted much with healthcare as a citizen. But healthcare issues in America start straight away from birth, because the process of birth itself is a healthcare matter for both mother and child, and there's no opting out from being born. That's only not the case if you're foreign born or from a very wealthy background, but you can't have a jury comprised of just them because that's not representative of the American public.

I wouldn't be surprised if this drags on for a long time before any trial even starts. In fact, I'd be suspicious if it doesn't.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 29 points 3 days ago

But the problem is, the mainstream and government are calling him a "terrorist" and "terrorists" don't have rights; under the USAPATRIOT Act, they are "enemy combatants" and the only thing they get is extrajudicial imprisonment and daily ~~torture~~"simulated drowning".

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