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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)

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[–] corbin@awful.systems 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Today's "Luigi isn't sexy" poster is Thomas Ptacek. The funniest example is probably this reply on the orange site:

That's an extrapolation from a poll, not literally 50 million people…

A cryptographer not believing in statistical analysis! I can't stop giggling, sorry.

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 1 points 1 hour ago

One thing to keep in mind about Ptacek is that he will die on the stupidest of hills. Back when Y Combinator president Garry Tan tweeted that members of the San Francisco board of supervisors should be killed, Ptacek defended him to the extent that the mouth-breathers on HN even turned on him.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 1 points 2 hours ago

I liked ptaček better when he still knew he doesn't know everything.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago

Lol lmao (For the people not into Dutch, our main alt-right politician lost a lot of money investing in the luna cryptocurrency (of course he is into crypto, and of course this site (which is a pro crypto site, so they pivot to his bitcoin holdings (which is no shock we know cryptofash people pay the fash in crypto)) is using the 'register now and get the first 10 bucks free!' trick casinos also pull).

[–] maol@awful.systems 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I had to use clipchamp for something recently and my god, what an awful, enshittified piece of software. It's sending me emails now!

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

tangentially: I've been getting reminded of a bunch of services existing, by way of pointless "your year in review" bullshit

fuck spotify for starting that misfeature, and fuck everyone else for falling over themselves to get On Trend

[–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 15 hours ago

And, whilst I’m here, a post from someone who tried using copilot to help with software dev for a year.

I think my favourite bit was

Don’t use LLMs for autocomplete, use them for dialogues about the code.

Tried that. It’s worse than a rubber duck, which at least knows to stay silent when it doesn’t know what it’s talking about.

https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/113690087142854474

(and also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging for those who haven’t come across it)

[–] rook@awful.systems 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting article about netflix. I hadn’t really thought about the scale of their shitty forgettable movie generation, but there are apparently hundreds and hundreds of these things with big names attached and no-one watches them and no-one has heard of them and apparently Netflix doesn’t care about this because they can pitch magic numbers to their shareholders and everyone is happy.

“What are these movies?” the Hollywood producer asked me. “Are they successful movies? Are they not? They have famous people in them. They get put out by major studios. And yet because we don’t have any reliable numbers from the streamers, we actually don’t know how many people have watched them. So what are they? If no one knows about them, if no one saw them, are they just something that people who are in them can talk about in meetings to get other jobs? Are we all just trying to keep the ball rolling so we’re just getting paid and having jobs, but no one’s really watching any of this stuff? When does the bubble burst? No one has any fucking clue.”

What a colossal waste of money, brains, time and talent. I can see who the market for stuff like sora is, now.

https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/

[–] istewart@awful.systems 4 points 6 hours ago

I feel like before Redbox went under, it was also a dumping ground for this sort of thing. For instance, that mid-budget Western "Rust" where Alec Baldwin killed the camerawoman on set felt like it was destined for this sort of distribution strategy. Who's clamoring to go out to the theater to see a Western with Alec Baldwin these days? But it might stand out among all the other slop when you're looking to turn your brain off on a Saturday night.

See also the rise of the "geezer-teasers," where a random 80s/90s action star signs up to appear in the first and last 10 minutes of a generic action movie filmed someplace inexpensive, most likely eastern Europe or southeast Asia. There were a lot of those. Perhaps my favorite, that I still want to watch someday, was Danny Trejo and Danny Glover in "Bad-Ass 2: Bad-Asses."

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

ai fan asks chempros about their use of lying boxes: majority opinion is that this shit is useless, leaks confidential information and is a massive legal liability https://www.reddit.com/r/Chempros/comments/1hgxvsj/ai_in_the_workplace_how_have_chemistsscientists/

top response:

It’s a good trick to be instantly dismissed. No, really, that’s the latest I had in terms of company policy. If you’re caught using AI for anything, you’re out the door. It’s a lawsuit waiting to happen (and a lawsuit we cannot defend against). Gross misconduct, not eligible for rehire, and all that. Same as intentionally misrepresenting data (because it is). (Pharma)

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Days since last comparison of Chat-GPT to shitty university student: zero

More broadly I think it makes more sense to view LLMs as an advanced rubber ducking tool - like a broadly knowledgeable undergrad you can bounce ideas off to help refine your thinking, but whom you should always fact check because they can often be confidently wrong.

Seriously why does everyone like this analogy?

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 5 points 9 hours ago

As a person whose job has involved teaching undergrads, I can say that the ones who are honestly puzzled are helpful, but the ones who are confidently wrong are exasperating for the teacher and bad for their classmates.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

good question, i have no clue especially that i wasn't like this as undergrad, it's really not hard to say "i don't know, boss" or "more experimental data is needed" and chatgpt will never say this

shitty undergrad won't probably leak confidential info either (maybe on sender side, but never on receiver side, as in receiving unexplained stolen confidential info from cosmic noise)

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

From the replies:

In cGMP and cGLP you have to be able to document EVERYTHING. If someone, somewhere messes up the company and authorities theoretically should be able to trace it back to that incident. Generative AI is more-or-less a black box by comparison; plus how often it’s confidently incorrect is well known and well documented. To use it in a pharmaceutical industry would be teetering on gross negligence and asking for trouble.

Also suppose that you use it in such a way that it helps your company profit immensely and—uh oh! The data it used was the patented IP of a competitor! How would your company legally defend itself? Normally it would use the documentation trail to prove that they were not infringing on the other company’s IP, but you don’t have that here. What if someone gets hurt? Do you really want to make the case that you just gave Chatgpt a list of results and it gave a recommended dosage for your drug? Probably not. When validating SOPs are they going to include listening to Chatgpt in it? If you do, then you need to make sure that OpenAI has their program to the same documentation standards and certifications that you have, and I don’t think they want to tangle with the FDA at the moment.

There’s just so, SO many things that can go wrong using AI casually in a GMP environment that end with your company getting sued and humiliated.

And a good sneer:

With a few years and a couple billion dollars of investment, it’ll be unreliable much faster.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

for anyone wondering cgmp/cglp means current good manufacturing/laboratory practices and it's mostly a set of paperwork concerning audits etc and repeatability of everything

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Im assume a few of these good practices have been discovered after a certain price in blood was paid.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 hours ago

everything has to be validated, certified, calibrated, written down and accessible for audit, on top of, you know, actual physical side of good manufacturing like keeping everything clean and in spec. some of that is to control for random fuckups and some is for cover-your-ass purposes. but yeah, good couple thousand people died before it became an actual globally enforced thing

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

AI could be a viable test for bullshit jobs as described by Graeber. If the disinfotmatron can effectively do your job then doing it well clearly doesn't matter to anyone.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

idk, genai can fuck up a couple of these too

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

It's not an exhaustive search technique, but it may be an effective heuristic if anyone is planning The Revolution(tm).

[–] rook@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In further bluesky news, the team have a bit of an elon moment and forget how public they made everything.

https://bsky.app/profile/miriambo.bsky.social/post/3ldq2c7lu6c25 (only readable if you are logged in to bluesky) Good morning. Let me check if I’ve got this right. Juni created a bot that shows what Aaron (head of trust and safety) likes. His likes are public information. Aaron likes a porn post. Trust and safety ban the bot and creator in 16 minutes. Creator appeals and ban is upheld

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago

the team have a bit of an elon moment

"Oh shit, which one of them endorsed the German neo-Nazis?"

Aaron likes a porn post

"Whew."

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Not A Sneer But: "Princ-wiki-a Mathematica: Wikipedia Editing and Mathematics" and a related blog post. Maybe of interest to those amongst us whomst like to complain.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 2 points 4 hours ago

I saw this floating around fedi (sorry, don't have the link at hand right now) and found it an interesting read, partly because it helped codify why editing Wikipedia is not the hobby for me. Even when I'm covering basic, established material, I'm always tempted to introduce new terminology that I think is an improvement, or to highlight an aspect of the history that I feel is underappreciated, or just to make a joke. My passion project — apart from the increasingly deranged fanfiction, of course — would be something more like filling in the gaps in open-access textbook coverage.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago

very interesting, thank you for sharing

[–] khalid_salad@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Y'all, with Proton enshittifying (scribe and wallet nonsense), I think I am never going to sign up for another all-in-one service like this. Now I gotta determine what to do about:

  • Proton Mail
  • Proton VPN
  • Proton Drive
  • Proton Calendar

and I'd be forced to reassess my password manager if hadn't already been using BitWarden when Proton Pass came out.

Self-hosting is a non-starter (too lazy to remember a new password for my luggage). Any thoughts? Are other Proton users here jumping ship? Should I just resign myself to using Proton until they eventually force some stupid ass "Chatbot will look at the contents of your Drive and tell you which authorities to surrender yourself to"?

[–] maol@awful.systems 3 points 14 hours ago

I am no tech expert but I use tuta for email and disroot for forms, pads and file sharing.

[–] rook@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For VPNs, at least, I can offer some suggestions. If you wanted to securely access a specific box or network of yours, tailscale is pretty great and very painless to use. If you wanted to do stuff without various folk noticing then that’s a bit trickier but I’ve been happy using mullvad… they’re not the cheapest, though they have some splendid anonymous payment mechanisms (you can literally mail them a wad of banknotes with a magic code on a bit of paper… you don’t even need to muck about with bitcoin).

[–] khalid_salad@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I have a subscription for Private Internet Access that I was using before subscribing to Proton Mail (which comes with Proton VPN). I figured it was all the same (they all have a slightly skeezy feel to me).

Then I checked out Mullvad's website and it's really quite awesome. Everything about their service has a "we want to make this accessible to everyone" vibe, which I appreciate. I am going to try it out. <3

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah I forgot to mention that in my comment: drop PIA. Never touch anything owned by PIA or Kape. Ever.

[–] khalid_salad@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah I stopped using it after switching to Proton.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (6 children)

also, how are you liking bitwarden?

I really need to kill off my current password manager and bitwarden's looking like the least worst of current options (esp. when paired with something like vaultwarden instead of running a fucking nodejs sync server on the internet), but also some of it seems quite stunted[0]

it's gotten so bad that I've started pondering writing my own, because good god does basically every option out there depress me

[0] - no global hotkeys? the fuck

[–] mii@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They have a CLI app though which you can hook up to dmenu or rofi or whatever to get global shortcuts.

https://github.com/firecat53/bitwarden-menu

Their desktop app is a bit shit anyway. I just use the CLI and the Firefox extension and it’s working solid.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

alas: my main workstation is (non-slate) macos, and it's unchangeable for the foreseeable future

good to know those (already) exist as options, though. if I can find some spoons I'll try look around and see if there's maybe something similar I can hack up/agglutinate from what's around

Their desktop app is a bit shit anyway

I haven't even tried it yet because I'm real "ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh" about even the idea of a js-/ts-based gui client for my password manager. largely because I've met too many js/ts devs and I outright don't trust their competence and processes. so your post is definite motivation for me to eyeball some of the other clients too

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[–] rook@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Bluesky’s approach to using domain names to mean identity is now showing cracks that everyone can see: https://tedium.co/2024/12/17/bluesky-impersonation-risks/

(it was always shaky, but mostly only shown by infosec folks who signed up as amazon s3, etc)

TL;DR: scammer buys .com domain for journalist’s name, registers it on bluesky, demands money to hand it over or face reputational damage, uses other fake accounts with plausible names and backgrounds to encourage the mark to pay up. Fun stuff. The best bit is when the sockpuppets got one of the real people they were pretending to be banned from bluesky.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago

It seems like it is a neat addition to a robust verification system, sadly they picked it as a replacement for a verification system. Ah the libertarian desire to build a thing but not be responsible for it.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago

this is such a mess, holy shit

and only on .com? I have some very pointed questions about the maturity of the verification program/design

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