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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There are significant barriers in place for revolution in the US. The Proletariat is still under the belief that supporting US Imperialism will benefit themselves more than Socialism. Additionally, theory is frequently coopted by Trots and other impractical forms, resulting in people endlessly seeking to critique society, not change it (your Noam Chomskys and the like). Moreover, labor organization has been millitantly crushed.

I recommend starting with theory. I have an introductory Marxist reading list if you want a place to start.

For elaboration on Chomsky, I recommend reading On Chomsky.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

i saw someone else try to share a similar message on tiktok yesterday and the overwhelming majority of the american users referred theory as little more than "book clubs for intellectuals" despite the chinese & latin american users trying to defend its usefulness on the same post.

getting my feet wet with this reading list is making it clear to me that i'm still a heavily propagandized american liberal and some of the tiktokers who called it a book club had seemingly more knowledge of theory that I did, so i wasn't qualified to speak up. what would your response be to such a criticism?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

People who denounce theory denounce revolution. It's plain and simple. Back in pre-revolutionary Russia, the SRs declared "an end to theory" as a unifying factor to be celebrated, and declared assassinations "transfer power." This is, of course, ridiculous, theory is important because it is useful despite disagreements over it, and assassinations do not "transfer power," but create a void filled by those closest to it, always bourgeois, never proletarian. The Bolsheviks ended up being correct, that theory, discipline, and organization is what brings real revolution, and the SRs have mostly been forgotten. I recommend reading Revolutionary Adventurism.

It's important to recognize that Westerners have an implicit desire to maintain the status quo, having been taught all our lives that we have the "best possible" system yet. The western leftist idea of "no true Marxism yet" fits conveniently with that narrative, it's deeply chauvanistic and moreover anti-revolutionary. Looking at the most popular trends of Marxism in the west, we see many Trots and "orthodox" Marxists, some of the least successful in producing real revolution globally, while in the Global South Marxism-Leninism is dominant.

The "book club" Marxists are equally dangerous as the "adventurist" Marxists (or Anarchists, if you prefer). It is only through uniting theory with practice that we will succeed. You cannot be anti-theory and you cannot be anti-practice, you must unite both. I want to commend your discipline in not speaking up, one of the guiding principles of Marxists is "no investigation, no right to speak." Muddying the waters with low quality input is pollutant, asking good questions and practicing self-restraint when speaking on what you don't know clarifies the waters of discourse.

I highly recommend reading Masses, Elites, and Rebels: the Theory of "Brainwashing."

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Despite the current wealth inequality a good number of people are still living decently enough.

I'm waiting to see what happens when Trump starts putting his taxes in place. When people are miserable enough they'll take to the streets and protest. If we reach a breaking point where living conditions completely break down and there still aren't protests then it may as well be over for democracy.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As if the US is currently a Democracy

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[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

yes but have you considered that in nk they have no food and push the trains? (source: CIA) instead of all this radical talk i think we should VOTE harder, especially for progressive like bernie and aoc

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The revolution was about missed meals and lack of food. The US isn’t there yet.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m not sure I would characterize it that way. It was a bourgeois revolution, lead by the bourgeoisie, who were not starving. Same with the American Revolution. These were revolutions led by & funded by people who owned the means of production.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

This is faaaar too low. The French Revolution was really triggered by famine and people not having enough food.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

From what I've been seeing throughout the years, I'd say give it time. Change usually takes a bit to get started and things usually hit a low point before a breaking point.

The next four years of Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum running things could trigger something especially if they try to go through with that P-'25 BS. As it is, the indiscriminate mass deportation in it that they are planning (including natural-born) could easily be a bit of a powder-keg for starting a massive protest.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

They let us eat cake.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The top 10% have 70.7% of wealth in the US currently (from the federal reserve website)

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Information control. Most people believe socialism is just taxes.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's less misinformation and more willing disbelief. People accept narratives that go along with what they believe supports that which benefits them. I highly recommend reading Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of "Brainwashing". People aren't stupid, they seek approval for their actions and support, which explains the anger expressed at factual debunking of their worldview.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean...there was an attempt. The chronically online seem to think a revolution in the USA would be socialist, but these are Americans we're talking about. Its either be back to 1800s style libertarian ethics or fascism, corporatism, something like that, decimating government power not increasing it.

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe. There was occupy wall street and an assassinated CEO this last week though

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[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

It's simple, fractions of the populace(both sides) are actually in a cult, they do what the cult says, they ignore anyone outside the cult if they go against their cults leadership, and they vote with how the cult tells them to vote. The country is not statistically a cult nation, but the cults know if they can get 1/8th of the populace to do what they say, it takes at least 1/8th of the populace to stand against them, and we don't have a leader, or even a coalition standing against them... It's just 1/8th of the populace crazy out of their minds voting their cults desires into reality, and it's happening with multiple groups, it's not even half the total population, but when approximately only half the voters actually vote, it doesn't take much to get control.

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