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These folks don't deserve sympathy when karma comes knocking, they are akin to mass murderers. The media can fuck right off

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[–] Nanook@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My opinion: correct, I agree

Objective reality: rights are essentially made up opinions you can make a good argument for

[–] 3ntranced@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rights are things that the majority of the populace believes, to be true sentiments, but usually is blocked by bureaucracy that profits off the lack thereof.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That would make sense for this case, but what about the right to freedom from enslavement? Most of America did not agree with that for a while. I would argue it was still a right. What about gay marriage? Majority of Americans disagreed with it until recently. And I'm not sure that one was ever about money.

[–] 3ntranced@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think the majority argument is skewed for alot of those due to the nature of our journalism and reporting through US history. I don't think that a majority of people viewed gay marriage for example as something that should be outlawed, but it was something unfamiliar and they didn't have enough points of reference in their life to base their argument off of. As it became more mainstream, people just kind of went 'whatever', the radicals (religious) get the spotlight from the media but I grew up in a hyper conservative household, and even we were fine with and had friends who were gay. My roommate in college was gay and the only person who had anything off to say was my grandmother who grew up in the 50s+60s.

I think i should shift my statement to say "rights are things that the majority of the people believe to be true, only if it affects a large enough amount of the people"

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I was mainly just getting at how we make up rights as we go. I have heard of few things that gain steam as a "right" which I disagree with myself, but I was just trying to illustrate that a right isn't a "fact". Which it appears you get. Opinions about them change over time. I might be older than you, because most people I ever talked to about gay marriage 1996-2005 thought it shouldn't be legal. And no it wasn't just my friends or local folks. That attitude was fairly popular. Go back 100 years and most people probably preferred the death penalty for gay people.

The main point is that rights are never guaranteed because they're rarely unanimously agreed upon.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

A better way to communicate this imo is to say Healthcare should under no circumstances be a capitalist market driven (or influenced) commodity. Ever. In any way, shape or form.

Saying it's a human right (although I agree 100%) gives conservatives a talking point because, "iT cOsTs MoNeY aNd ReSoUrCeS!"

It's not a market driven commodity. Full stop. Nobody has a desire for cancer treatments or radiation therapy. Nobody has a desire to shop around for competitor pricing when they break their leg.

We need full socialized healthcare. No millionaires, no CEOs, no board of directors, no investors making millions. Just well paid doctors, nurses and support staff, with intelligent people making necessary decisions, not decisions for shareholders or profits.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 14 points 1 week ago

Literally a human right in every modern country

Except one