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[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

Is Antarctica really "unknown"? The closest there is to antarctic law would be international treaties and they are mostly about nuclear weapons and oil drilling.

I feel like if you are willing to live in a frozen hellscape you should be able to smoke whatever you want

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] flubo@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Since germany is blue on the map and its only legal here from today on, i dont think it is an old, out of date map. But maybe the information for some Other country is just wrong?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Welcome to Germany in blue since yesterday! Interestingly buying and selling it is still not allowed. You can grow up to three plants for own use

I would expect or at least hope Denmark will follow suit.

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

buying and selling it is still not allowed.

That's somewhat misleading. It is allowed in the form of non-profit clubs ~~selling~~ giving to members who pay a membership fee for personal use. It's just commercial sale that's banned.

Edit to correct the above statement and to add that the clubs are only gonna be legal in July.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not quite accurate. Selling is still illegal, even for the clubs. You pay a monthly fee to the club and the club is giving you a monthly allowance of up to 50g.

Yes, this is selling with extra steps but it circumvents EU stuff about not being allowed to commercialise cannabis.

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Good clarification, I edited my comment accordingly, thanks!

[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Clubs are only permitted to distribute in juli.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

What about it?

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Oh, I wasn't actually aware of that, thanks! Added it to my comment as well

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ok. The news did mention clubs but not in details

So people can sell their cannabis to other members of the club? Whould this allow people to grow their 3 permitted plants for selling to others even though its only allowed to grow them for personal use?

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I haven't looked too much into it, but iirc the clubs would be able to grow their own plants, independent of the allowance that individuals have for home-growing. Here's a (German) article about how the clubs are supposed to work, that seems to confirm that, even if it's not spelled out explicitly: https://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/dienstleister/cannabis-legalisierung-mitgliedsausweis-und-schichtplaene-so-funktionieren-die-cannabis-clubs-/29733674.html

Also, see the other comments on mine, some good clarifications in there!

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I can't decide if I think the stereotypically-uptight Germans being the first to legalize in Europe was unexpected or very expected.

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Don't look into any details if you want to keep that opinion

Any details

  • Only adults may consume and/or own cannabis
  • No buying, selling or giving away weed
  • Only consuming cannabis you or your Cannabis Social Club (CSC), should you join one, grew is allowed. In a CSC cannabis may be grown and sold to its members
  • CSCs may not make profits
  • No more than 50 (30 if you are younger than 21) grams of cannabis per month may be handed out to you by your CSC
  • No cannabis with more than 10% THC may be handed out to people younger than 21
  • Consuming cannabis within 100 meters (visual range) of a playground, school, youth center, public sports facilities or CSCs is prohibited
  • Consuming cannabis between 7am and 8pm in a pedestrian zone is prohibited
  • Consuming cannabis "close" to minors is prohibited
  • No CSC may be established within 200 meters of a school or playground
  • max 500 members per CSC
  • no more than 1 CSC per 6000 city residents (or 1 CSC if the city/town has less than 6000 residents)
  • no extracting THC from cannabis
  • no owning more than 3 cannabis plants
  • no owning more than 50 grams of dried cannabis, including plants
  • no carrying around more than 25 grams of dried cannabis, including plants
  • CSCs have to keep meticulous records about their members, who received when how much cannabis and how much cannabis grew in total
  • police can just go and take these records without requiring a judge's approval
  • for the coming months: no driving a car or bicycle with more than 1 ng of THC in your blood or you will lose your car driver's license and pay a fine (yes, even if you're caught riding your bicycle, you will lose your car driver's license). Fun fact: the police announced they will significantly increase controls
[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

It is very limited though. I would consider Germany more on the decriminalized side.

You are allowed to own a small amount. You are allowed to grow up to three plants at home. It is illegal to buy, sell, or import.

There is rules for having cannabis social clubs similiar to Spain, but the rules around them are quite complex and a lot of it remains unclear, until the law will have been interpreted in court decisions.

Some German states have already announced that they will make life hell for anyone smoking weed in legal public spaces or operating a legal cannabis social club. Also the level of permittable THC for driving is still undecided.

Currently any level of blood THC is considered a DUI and can not only get you a fine, but also a suspension of your drivers licencse with an extensive "medical psychological check up" if you want to regain your licencse. That "check up" is run by private businesses who also sell courses on which answers are right and which are wrong. Basically anything beyond "this was the only time i swear, i was in a bad place and i should have never done it and i am so sorry, and i will never do it again" is a wrong answer.

Now we had an expert proposal for a higher level of permittable blood THC. The proposed level has yet to pass but it would effectively be fine for occasional users, but still a problem for regular users, as it is close to the baseline THC level that they have.

So all in all it is a great step forward, especially considering how the "debate" from the political right and fascists was run around 1970s war on drug prohibition and cultural deprevation talking points. However it still creates many aspects to watch out for and it should be noted, that the political right wants to do everything to reverse the laws, when they likely win the elections next year. The problem with that is also that the center right social democrats are still internally devided, with many of them still thinking of weed as the devils lettuce.