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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 187 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (24 children)

Americans seem get really weird with the whole ancestry thing. There appears to be a desire to look into your family history and find something "exotic", which basically seems to mean non-English - I imagine because that's perceived as the 'default' ancestry, so-to-speak.

Honestly, who the fuck cares? What difference does it make? Nationalities aren't Skyrim races. You don't get special abilities. It makes no difference whether your ancestors were British/Irish/Spanish/French/whatever.

E: This is obviously not intended as a hateful statement, people. You have to understand that the rest of the world doesn't care about this, so we're confused when we look to the US and see them take it so seriously. We're especially puzzled when Americans say "I'm Irish" because their great great great uncle bought a pint of Guiness in the 1870s. It's an alien concept to the rest of the planet.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What's with the negativity from you and the other comments?

I can tell you why Americans care. Because identity matters to people. The story of the melting pot is central to the American story as a nation of immigrants (even today) and central to individual identities. Thus, there is a lot of interest in backgrounds and geneology. If you ask the average American about their heritage you're likely to get a surprising answer - so people talk about it more.

I get why it seems weird to many other cultures - if you ask the average French person (for example) their heritage they'll say 'French as far back as we can tell'.

The French person celebrates their identity through the lens of the French story, and the American does too, it's just that the American story is the immigrant story.

I hope you do actually care. I hope in this era of rising nationalism and online hate enough of us value diversity of backgrounds and ancestries.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

I'm not being hateful about it. I'm just puzzled as to why people think it makes any difference to their lives, or why they'd be disappointed in having the "wrong" ancestry.

I see a lot of Americans obsessed with it so much that it borders on being fetish-like, particularly when it comes to people claiming to be Irish or Italian, and it's bizarre to me.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

claiming to be Irish

I can speak to this phenomenon a bit. It’s part of what was drilled into us from our families. My father’s maternal grandparents were from Donegal, Ireland. Any time a single person from a Donegal family passed away in the entire city of Philadelphia, whether they were known to my family or not, my father, his brothers, and my grandmother were going to that wake to pay their respects. Once he became an adult, he became a member of the AoH, which is an Irish-American fraternal order. They’d keep some Irish customs alive (and being separated by the ocean, no doubt hallucinate some new ones). For people that are heavily invested in their families, it’s a way of feeling connected to your ancestors. I think leaving was rather traumatic for many people, so I think there is an element of mourning in the connection for some too.

I myself wouldn’t call myself Irish, but I know a great deal about Ireland and I share a deep appreciation for it despite being a Yankee. I get that it’s no doubt annoying when someone who knows nothing of the place they are claiming ownership of says they’re Irish or Italian to someone actually from Ireland or Italy, but at the end of the day I think it comes from a well intentioned place. If my family came to find we weren’t at all Irish by ancestry, I would definitely feel shocked as much of my upbringing was framed by that identity.

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[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 weeks ago

Kinda weird obsession when a big part of the population hates strangers so much.

And even British/Irish/Spanish/.... doesn't mean much as there was mixing for centuries

[–] Enoril@jlai.lu 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We are in 2024 and they still use the word "race" to segregate the American population in several groups. So no surprise a DNA service could be so popular in the USA.

If they were American citizen and just that - without subdivision and the legal right to ask or use their gene, color skin or whatever_they_think_is_important_to_distinguish_themself - well a lot of issues and strange "behaviour" (aka racisme) would have disapeared.

Or at least decreased as nobody would have the legal tools and data to enforce it: gerrymanding, blaming a vote on a "community", having your town split in "community" sectors and no shame at all to call it like that officially! Which others country put "chinatown" on their map?

As a teenager, I was shocked by this fact when visiting the USA 25 years ago. That and the fact i have found in a normal marketplace unprotected ammunition sold near the baby milk. "baby stuff, baby stuff, 9mm ammo... what!?!"

This DNA service is just the result of this global problem: the american society and its laws are still allowing passive racism.

So americans want to prove (to themself, to others?) via DNA results that they can’t be racist because they have a ~~black friend~~ sorry : black DNA ancestors.

Some will tell you: "ho it’s just for fun". But is fun really the only motivation here?

And congrat to them as they don’t only expose themself (genetic data are priceless and should be protected at all costs) but also they expose all their children, children's children, etc. These chidren probably wouldn’t have agreed to that if they were born.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I applaud your idealism, but the tricky thing is that if you stop measuring race, then you also stop being able to measure institutional racism. That'd be great for the closet racists who want to pretend that it doesn't exist, but it does still exist and we really need to be able to quantify how well measures to stop it are actually working.

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[–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Europeans: haha you guys have no history!

Also Europeans: haha you're curious where your family emigrated from! Losers!

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 11 points 2 weeks ago

Those two sentences are not in contradiction. USA's history has been moved to casinos. Knowing which language your ancestors spoke, when you won't bother learning it, has nothing to do with it.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You speak for yourself. As an Englishman I get 5% water resistance and +2 charisma when dealing with non-Europeans.

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[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

...English is not the "default" ancestry for Americans. I think I know one dude from Michigan who has English heritage. Most folks I'd know have blood from Poland, Ireland, Italy and Germany. It varies regionally.

[–] ellen_musk_0x@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

As far as white/Caucasian Americans, I'd bet money it's Germanic ancestry.

I recall reading that at one point in the 19th century, 52% of American newspapers were printed in German. And, you still find towns with German names from coast to coast. Anaheim California, Hamburg Minnesota, Berlin New Hampshire.

If you're near Eastern Indiana, check out Oldenburg.

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[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Nationalities aren't Skyrim races. You don't get special abilities.

"It wasn't until I learned that I was 90% British that it all made sense... my inhuman ability to queue for hours, my fastidiousness surrounding permits, and hatred for the French... I knew I was special, but I never imagined how special."

[–] Nima@leminal.space 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One guy writes an article. literally just one dude.

the comments: "AMERICANS ARE WEIRD AF. ALL AMERICANS DO THIS AND FEEL THIS WAY."

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's not just him. The "I'm Irish/Italian" crowd is a widely known-about American thing.

I didn't mean to offend you. Relax. I never said all Americans do it, you don't need to come up with some reactionary strawman just because you took my comment to heart.

[–] Nima@leminal.space 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

America is a lot of people from different places settling in one continent. lots of people care about what their family history is. I'm not sure what's weird about that.

there's a lot of people with bloodlines from different parts of the world in every country. it means something to some people. not everyone, but quite a few.

that particular phenomenon is everywhere.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

A large number of Americans generally seem to grow up with a main character complex thanks to all the individualist & jingoist propaganda people get bombarded with over there.

The search for something "exotic" as you put it is just an ego-driven search for the piece of evidence that they are, in fact, more special and unique than everyone else.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I think having English heritage is not trendy for several reasons.

  • It's seen as the default (as you pointed out), and thus boring.
  • It's not seen as exotic/fashionable because of stereotypes about the English.
  • The English have traditionally been considered America's enemies because of what happened two hundred and fifty years ago.
  • Stories being passed down (and possible exaggerated) from earlier generations about how the English oppressed their ancestors.

ETA: Man, you really riled up some people!

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[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 67 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I had in some ways the opposite 23&Me experience and goals. My parents told me growing up that I had some small native ancestry. This is actually a common myth many Americans have either been told or somehow deluded themselves into believing.

So I did the DNA testing (which I now regret from all the obvious enshittification and privacy reasons) to prove that my ancestry was boring and predictable. Which it was, no indigenous ancestry, just the expected European countries that my great grandparents came from.

They also do a lot of nice health screening things and I think that's probably the much more valuable aspect of it. It really is very American that people are so much more concerned with what DNA says about one's race or ethnicity than about their health and wellbeing.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

I'm worried about insurance companies getting it and changing rates/services based on my DNA.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 67 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, don't worry. If you hadn't given it to them, one or ten of your fucking rellies did anyway and had no clue of the implications either.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I want to upvote this, but ... Why did you have to shorten "relatives"?

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 60 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I am a technology journalist – I like to think I am thoughtful about what data I share with corporations.

My brother in Christ, if you are a tech journalist then you, out of all people, should know not to give ANY data to corporations. That is a massive fuckup regarding your job.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 43 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

There's something hilarious about the author's disappointment to find out they're British, and nothing else.

Can't say I blame them though.

[–] Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

I read the headline and went, “…I mean, what were you expecting?”

[–] ratel@mander.xyz 15 points 3 weeks ago

Title is misleading, FTA:

Confirmation that I am 63% British and Irish, 17% Danish and otherwise “broadly north-western European”. I felt a resounding ambivalence about the results, including some disappointment that I had not discovered a newfound heritage – a piece of information that would give my identity new dimension.

But also:

My father’s side of the family is meticulous about tracking our ancestry, with records that hold the name of the exact small village in Ireland our ancestors hail from.

Those results often can't narrow down to exact countries so it says he's 63% British and Irish. Seeing as his fathers family has records of being from a small Irish town it's likely he's more Irish that British, not that it means anything if you're actually American anyway.

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[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

I refuse to do it because I'm a twin. We both agree that it's shitty if one of us does it because then the other is forced into it basically, being identical.

Also our dad was a piece of cheating shit so we don't ever want to know about that possibility.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think of myself as someone who always wants to know, I want to know the truth, I don't like not knowing things. Plus, it could help finding out about genetic conditions and things to be on the lookout for, which can definitely be valuable.

I'd still never do one of these tests because of the privacy concerns and because I don't trust companies with something like this, especially since I have seen so many times where companies have a lax attitude or lax policies or both about security.

[–] Doxatek@mander.xyz 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah companies don't care. McDonald's sold my fingerprint data. I used it to clock in and out for work. I got like a 50 dollar settlement or something so that was nice <3 ty Ronald

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[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 41 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe if I swab my mouth and send it off to a company, I'll finally be interesting and people will like me.

puts letter down

...maybe not.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Took me too long to realise that article is actually serious. I'd have sworn white people with huge ethnics fetish would show up as "Austrian painter" on their test, but I guess British works. Oh well 🇺🇸

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I did it over 15 years ago, but for health information before the FDA nuked that. (Although you can still run the raw data through a third party program)

I'm pretty sure I already uploaded myself to at least one open source database, so I don't see any reason to worry that much.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Like honestly, I'd rather be open sourced than sold as proprietary data haha

In either case the actors to worry about (whatever they might be) gets access, in the latter case it might additionally do some good.

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[–] Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I’ve got to admit, I’ve wanted to do one of those tests just because my family is such a mix of “lol we don’t know.” Like, no really, what IS my maternal grandma? She does not look like the rest of her family and had a different family name from her siblings. And ok really, where DID my paternal great-grandmother who lied about her race so she could marry my great-grandfather back when “miscegenation” was illegal, come from? And WAS that great-grandpa biracial himself?

There’s a reason I call myself an ethnic Rorschach test, and I’d love to know why it is I am. But the rest of my family is against the idea of finding out because “it doesn’t matter” plus who knows how just data might be used one day.

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[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Recreational DNA testing eventually led to discovering that I had never before met my biological father. Mom got it wrong. I met him and his family this summer finally. I am slightly irritated that my last name (and my child’s) is now kind of meaningless, and it’s too much of a hassle to change it.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 19 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly I've never gotten the desire to do one of these things. You give away arguably the most uniquely valuable and private part of yourself to this company (or companies like it) to do god knows what with in exchange for these results that are (IMO) ultimately just unnecessary trivia about yourself.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I still find it funny people think these tests mean anything. "you have these 7/9 genes in common with Jasper Brittania and are therefore 77% british"

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[–] bblkargonaut@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I haven't found an article yet that can actually articulate the problem with 23 and me right now, and actually did research into it or even read the terms and service. The problem with 23 and me is that they are not maximizing the share holder value of the data they are sitting on. The CEO wants to keep the company in line with the principals they were founded on which is to protect the privacy and data of their customers, while using opt in studies to build data sets that can be studied or sold.

Investors want to enshittify the company, and have been organizing a campaign against to company to try to drive it into liquidation to buy the data, even though the company is profitable. I wouldn't be surprised is they are funding these weekly omfg 23 and me bad articles.

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[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This only tells you about your very recent ancestry, but go back enough generations are you are descended from everyone alive at the time who still has living decendants, just like everyone else.

[–] ellen_musk_0x@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Told you so.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

they've mostly got your genetics anyways if your brother did it

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