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So I've just been thinking about privacy, and how everyone's location can be tracked. Then I realized: What about people who have no permission to enter the country?

Like do they just decide to not have a phone, or do they still have phones and just roll the dice and hope they don't get caught?

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've often thought of a method to evade tracking.

You create a group where you all share one group of phones with standard apps. You use one phone for a week, then place it into the group pool and select a different phone. You just keep reshuffling the phones over and over again. And even after a month or two, transport a batch of phones across the country to a different group for the same number of phones and just keep rotating phones everywhere all the time.

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[–] thericofactor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

This depends on your (privacy) laws. The phone operators (and in all fairness, a lot of app developers) have access to the phone's location.

If the government doesn't need a warrant, and they can just ask for the location information at Apple or Google (or, for example Meta or X if those apps have location tracking permissions turned on), they could in theory find anyone they like at any time.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

That depends on the country we're talking about. I wouldn't do it in authoritarian countries. But in the USA or other western countries for example, they usually don't use their total surveillance technology to pursue minor and ordinary crimes. That's mainly reserved for terrorism. You could end up in trouble by chance. But I'm not aware of any routines that connect cell tower data to deport immigrants. I'm not saying they can't do it, they certainly already have the data ready to analyze. It's just that it doesn't happen to date. So your chances of getting persecuted are low. And a phone is a very useful device to carry around. (And strictly speaking, all phones leak your position and lots of personal information. If that's valuable to someone, they shouldn't carry a connected phone with them. Regardless of the situation.)

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[–] Daze@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

You’re gonna love when you learn about Sentient.

Don’t google it probably.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Idk, I wouldn't carry one across the border any more than I'd take one with me to a drug deal

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean like after they manage to get in. A random phone being detected near the boarders is probably much more easily tracked down, but after they get in its a needle in a haystack, I think.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Idk, if you are at the point where law enforcement is going to a cell provider with a location request warrant you are pretty much already fucked. They know who you are, they know your phone number, they probably know where you live and work

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