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I am a long term GrapheneOS user and would like to talk about it. r/privacy on the redditland blocks custom OS discussions which I think is very bad for user privacy, and I hope this post will be useful to anyone who are in the hunt for better privacy.

Nowadays smartphones are a much bigger threats to our privacy and Desktop systems, and unfortunately manufacturers has designed them to be locked down devices with no user freedom. You can't just "install Linux" on most smartphones and it is horrible. And most preloaded systems spy on us like crazy. That was why I specifically bought a pixel and loaded GOS onto it.

According to https://grapheneos.org/features , they start from base AOSP's latest version, imptoves upon it's security and significantly hardens it. There's hardened_malloc to.prevent against exploitation, disabling lots of debugging features, disabling USB-c data, hardening the Linux kernel and system apps etc. They even block accessing the hardware identifiers of the phone so that apps cannot detect whqt phone you're using. That means with Tor and zero permissions given, apps are anonymous.

Compatibility with apps are best in Custom ROMs but there are still that can't work, especially if they enforce device integrity. Very few apps usually enforce that tho. Also their community isn't the friendliest but you can get help. Just don't try and engage too much or have too many debates.

Anyone else here use GrapheneOS, or any other privacy ROMs? What is your experience? Do you disagree on any point? Let's have a discussion!

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[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago

I would but my Pixel 6's USB connection is entirely useless. It hasn't successfully connected to a cable in over a year.

I was considering it for my next one, though, whenever that is. Don't really feel the need for an upgrade atm.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (14 children)

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/android/distributions/#aosp-derivatives

https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

I am a GOS user, it just works, so I don't really think about it. It's very nice to have storage and contact scopes.

My only complaint is I can't share a VPN over hotspot or tethering, which is very useful for a travel router device (to make all traffic look like it's coming from the phone). (Lineage and calyxos have this)

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[–] capably8341@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

Been using it for about five years now. I absolutely love it. But I will say some of these comments make it sound like it's a little easier than it is. I'd say about 80% of your knowledge from Android will transfer over and just work. But the last 20% is a bit of a learning curve, and will take at least a few weeks to get the hang of.

What I recommended to some of my friends that switched is to get the phone and mess around with it for a few weeks before you switch your sim. Then you'll get the hang of things like alternative app stores and sandboxed play services, and you'll figure out what you can and can't do.

I will say the vast majority of things do work easily because of protection compatibility mode and sandboxed play services. But there will be some things that are just more hassle then they're worth. I find keeping a second device, like a tablet, without a custom ROM makes that stuff easier.

And there are some things that seem impossible to get working properly, at least for me. For example, casting to a TV is basically impossible from what I can tell. Also, tap to pay, even for things like tickets doesn't work (although if you have play services, you can use Google wallet for things with barcodes).

Overall, it's totally worth trying out. Just don't set your expectations too high. You're not getting a completely "just works" experience.

As for other custom ROMs, I've tried CalyxOS and LineageOS for MicroG. I didn't find either of them quite as good, but that was many years ago. Maybe they've gotten better.

[–] ouch@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Personally for me the most important thing in Android is automatic native call recording. If GrapheneOS gets that, I will consider buying a Google Pixel device.

Also, banking and other apps should stop using Play Integrity API.

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[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

I was a long time lineageOS user and love the freedom of changing anything. I switched to grapheneOS and like it, but miss some features, that are just pointless and not relatable: no full AMOLED dark mode - the devs said the battery savings between dark and pure dark isn't relevant. and the other thing is: why is the white bar on the bottom not removable?

Because of these things I switched back to lineageOS and realised how dumb it is because of two optical features. GOS is definitely worth to look over two missing features and I switched back to GOS.

Anyway the most interesting transition from an lineage user to an grapheneOS user is, you realise that root isn't useful and more risk than fun.

[–] Darth_Vader__@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

Yeah GrapheneOS rarely does eye-candy features. They have a very small team so they exclusively work on security features.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

Tbh i used OLED dark mode on my LG v50, and I got serious screen burn in as a consequence. OLED isn't worth using for a smartphone IMO.

[–] Cris16228@lemmy.today 7 points 16 hours ago (11 children)

I would love to buy a pixel to install GrapheneOS but ain't no way I'm giving google money and I don't know where I can buy a brand new pixel. There are currently 3 apps that scare me and not sure if they're even working on GOS and one is my bank app

[–] crimsoncobalt@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Check out Swappa. They usually have plenty of phones in various condition to pick from.

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[–] Darth_Vader__@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Regarding banking app, check privsec.dev 's list.

Regarding Pixel, don't see it as giving money to Google, see it as payingnfor good hardware.

[–] Cris16228@lemmy.today 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I'm still paying a shitty company for good hardware. I will see if I can find a good refurbished, otherwise I'll pay the hardware with money and not my data. Fuck google

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

My bank app worked fine on lineage OS without Google Play Services, but I ended up leaving them anyway because I wanted to have a bank that would let me use a mobile website and that bank required the use of their app.

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[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 4 points 15 hours ago

I'm on it for a few weeks on my new Pixel 7 a. Looks painless, though I haven't migrated fully yet. Lineage OS on my old phone and tablet. Waiting for Pixel tablet sale to run GrapheneOS there too.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

Yea I did the same thing as you about 2 years ago. Gonna maintain and use this phone for as long as I possibly can before either betting another one or find a equally good or better solution that doesn't give money to google(and hopefully one with a replaceable battery)

[–] brownmustardminion@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I've been using it for many months and I like it a lot. Only one of my banking apps doesn't work.

Currently my main issue is that webauthn stopped working after an update. And the community support hasn't been helpful.

I wish they had better documentation in general.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 5 points 16 hours ago

I have used it in the past on a Google Pixel 3A, and I've used Lineage OS for many years as well.

[–] joanne@aussie.zone 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I've been using it for a few months. Very happy with it. Minimalistic initial setup, gives you the feeling of control as well as privacy, bank apps work splendidly... an effortless transition, I say as somebody who previously used iPhone but wasn't tied into the ecosystem.

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[–] nicomachus@programming.dev -1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] xav@programming.dev 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm buying a Pixel, I'll try it soon. But for now I like LineageOS+MicroG very much.

[–] Darth_Vader__@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

MicroG doesn't have as much compatibility as Sandboxed Pkay. Also I think LineageOS is not as patched and kept up to date, maybe try DivestOS or CalyxOS (both forks of Lineage)

[–] Anonymouse@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

I've been wanting to try it for a while now, but I'm too cheap to buy a phone that can run it.

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago

I am waiting for the LineageOS port for my SM-A536B.

[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Do you have difficulties running pokemon go (if you do play it) and/or banking apps?

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

None of my banking apps or my government ID 2FA app work in GOS, not even with sandboxed google play services. I had to go back to stock android since these are essential to my everyday life. Huge bummer since I replaced my old broken phone specifically with a pixel for GOS.

[–] Darth_Vader__@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Banking apps works for me, they have a list at privsec.dev check that out first.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 16 hours ago

My three banking apps work fine. Ymmv

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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 0 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I've been using a Fairphone with /e/os. No Google at all. Rooted with Magisk. MicroG to run apps that need Google services. Everything I need works.

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