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[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Trumps goons are going to sell out key functions of government to private buyers, like nasa to space x. This reminds me of when the USSR fell and all the shadiest people bought up the national industries.

I wonder who’s gonna buy the noaa. That’s the one I’m most concerned about.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 42 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

it won't be though. spacex tech is massively reliant on NASA. if they do it they'll hurt spacex in the long run. which means they'll probably do it because musk is a fucking moron.

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Surely he'll strip NASA, put the bits he wants up for sale, then buy them for cheap.

Sure the best staff might leave, but he'll probably keep enough of the organisation to get something out of it.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

he's gonna have to find more indentured slaves

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

indentured slaves can actually work though

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Haha yeah, those bots are garbage. But the Figure 2 bots are already testing in BMW plants. And Elon won't even have to threaten Open AI with regulation to get new tech. He can prolly just take from Boston Dynamics military contracts.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"... in the long run"

These aren't people who understand what "in the long run" means.

[–] Gingernate@programming.dev 16 points 9 hours ago

This quarters profits must be higher than last quarters. Fuck anything beyond that

[–] uis@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago

He makes Rogozin look competent

[–] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 55 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

We saw what happened the last time space infrastructure was privatized.

Boeing gave all the money to the stockholders and delivered a criminally late product that ended up failing and stranding our astronauts. Boeing obviously didn't care to test if the Teflon in those thrusters could survive repeated heatings.

SpaceX decided to go backwards in rocket technology, from Hydrogen to Methane. Hydrogen is more efficient, and makes it easier to bury carbon responsibly. Sure, Boeing's rockets got made fun of for being leaky, but I think that might be Boeing more than Hydrogen at fault. Dirty Methane rockets were cheap, and could be built simple as they experienced less thermal variation without cryogenic fuel.

SpaceX undercut the competition and turned itself into a monopoly while Boeing threw their hand to the stockholders. Now SpaceX picks up the pieces of the game they upended.

NASA was supposed to manage a thriving marketplace, full of competition. Instead it managed its way to a monopolistic structure that a single entity may try to sieze.

Fun fact about autocratic structures like monopolies and dictatorships: they can't grow power themselves, they can only sieze power organized by others.

We need to build our next wave of structures in a distributed fashion such that the levers of power are not so concentrated that they may fall into the wrong hands.

Give the power to the people. All of them.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Space travel is exceptional in that you need an incredible amount of cooperation to get a project into space. The supply chains are insane, the component parts highly specialized and hugely expensive, and the range of expertise and knowledge required is simultaneously focused and intense and broad and varied. If human society ever does manage to transition to a genuine people power, space flight will be, to my knowledge, the very last thing we achieve, because it takes so many people working together to get it done. The scope of these projects makes you realise how easy it must have been to build the pyramids. Two brothers can build a plane that just about works, but to get a vehicle to orbit needs a city of people working together.

[–] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's all the reason it should be easier to distribute power. More people to distribute it between!

Remember when we paid people to do those things directly?

We, the American people, paid a lot of people each a reasonable salary to get to the moon.

Privatized spaceflight has we, the American people, pay a single entity less total money (they can make it more efficient, of course!). This concentrates decision-making and power.

That vehicle going in to orbit needs a city to work together. I want my taxes to pay that city and the people in it, not Boeing's shareholders who aren't helping put the vehicle into orbit, not Musk to build a second smaller city in Texas he is king of.

Thank you for your points. I completely agree that we should be paying the workers on the ground who get us to space instead of the wealthy who claim to own it.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yes we should, and I hope we will. I would love to be able to imagine some kind of smooth, consensual, non violent transition to a society where we keep doing the same stuff but are fairly treated, but I have difficulty with that. And I think space would be the hardest industry to revolutionise because of the above. Not saying it's impossible and I'm definitely not saying it's not preferable!

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Almost like Jim Bridenstone was a bad pick….

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago

Space exploration certainly will be the final frontier, its the last thing this pathetic species will have ever worked on before blinking out of existence.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I had a lengthy argument with someone that Musk couldn't possibly be kissing Trump's ass for money - he's a billionaire after all and "has all the money he needs". No no, Musk is doing this out of the goodness of his cold billionaire heart. Isn't it obvious?

Why are so many people so stupid? WHY?

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Yet another page from Trump’s playbook. People insisted that Trump couldn’t be bribed because he was so rich, and that he was financing his own campaign, so he could be the only non-corrupt politician. Obviously these people are quite naive and don’t understand how wealthy Kelle tend to operate - always wanting more, more, more.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 26 points 23 hours ago

Ah yes, the essential personality traits to becoming the richest person: integrity, and stopping once you have all the money you need.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Elongated Muskrat is a billionaire who wants to become the first trillionaire. That’s what these people aren’t getting. It’s all just a game to him. He thinks that he lives in a simulation and everyone else is an NPC. He now wants to set a new high score.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I wanna try something...

Ahem. Investors! I have the concept of a plan to put gigantic billboards in space that can be seen by half the planet at any given time. Give me money.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't coke propose doing that with colored powder on the moon?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In one of the Red Dwarf books, there's a subplot about sending hundreds of stars supernova simultaneous in order to spell out Coke Adds Life in the sky.

Pepsi would be buried.

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't know there were books!

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 8 hours ago

I can only recommend the first two.

Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers

Better than Life

They're no hitchhiker's guide, but they have a go.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Some other country is gonna have the new nasa, and the united states is going to fall even further behind. It'll just be a brain drain and most of it isn't going to go to space-x.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People poke fun of Musk as being a idiot. But he had us Kaiser Soze'd by pretending to be dumb so that he could implement his self-serving ideas.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Space: the final (capitalistic) frontier.

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 13 points 21 hours ago

Humanity: Let's make a bunch of stories about how space capitalism has some really bad outcomes.

Also Humanity: That sound great! let's do that!

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He efficiently using the government to make himself richer. What more did anybody expect?

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[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 184 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Remember when on Interstellar there's this whole prologue about the collapse of the US, the dismantling of NASA and the family getting on an argument with the school because the official stance now is that the moon landing never happened and mankind never went to space (despite there being still people alive who went there)?

So, anyway, life imitates art …

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 23 hours ago

One of Trumps supporters even got punched by Buzz.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

We ain't getting Interstellar, we're getting Don't Look Up.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

The Republicans are still holding out for the earth getting destroyed to make room for a bypass.

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[–] 93maddie94@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago

NASA has already sent out emails to their teams and contractors about what implications this can have on their departments. Shit’s bad.

[–] CM400@lemmy.world 159 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NASA, like the post office, is such a public benefit that we should be funding it well.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

I don't think people understand how much value we get from NASA... Like, $7 for every dollar spent, or more, in economic benefit and technological advancements. So many solutions they have to come up with to make space flight possible are incredibly useful here on Earth too

Value that we won't get if we're paying a private company to do it

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 48 points 1 day ago

And absolutely no one paying attention was shocked.

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