I have seen many comments saying that lemmy.world sucks, and sh.itjust.works is good. I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances. Why? After a quick look, sh.itjust.works doesn't look much different to me. Can anyone explain?

Edit: many good replies. the conclusion I'm drawing is that for my purposes it doesn't really matter. I appreciate everyone who responded

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

lemmy.world had blocked !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Not jolly, not jolly at all 😕

Join us, sail free in the high seas! lemmy.dbzer0.com

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

Legitimately the reason I dropped .world and made an account at SJW. I don't want my instance admins deciding what I do and don't get to see without my input.

Of course, the SJW admins could decide to block it anyway, at which point I'll make a dbzer0 account

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 97 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Here's the description by both:

sh.itjust.works:

A bilingual (EN/FR) general-purpose instance located in eastern Canada! Powered by 99% renewable energy! Everyone is welcome eh.

Lemmy.World:

A generic Lemmy server for everyone to use. (...) Lemmy.World is a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use

The comments about instances being "good" or "bad" is just plain ol' tribalism.

Users get attacked for the instances they registered to, even if they were unaware of instance politics when they actually registered. That sucks!

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Lemmy world has more users and therefore more likely to have more jerks when the jerk to not jerk ratio within an instance is the same.

There are/were a few instances where staying with their registration is worthy of assuming the worst about them.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

I don't know if I would agree with that assessment entirely, yes Lemmy.world has the same starting Jerk to not jerk ratio. However on Lemmy.world the amount of jerks who aren't banned is higher than instances like blahaj.zone, dbzer0, or pawb.social. So there are more jerks on Lemmy.world, not because it attracts more jerks or has more users but also because it doesn't ban them as often as other instances do.

I'm using jerk kind of loosely but I'll clarify because people will think I'm trying to say someone should be banned for a rude moment but I'm not. When I say jerk, what I really mean is alt-right troll, transphobe, sealioner, climate-denier, etc. Someone who isn't obvious enough to be caught as a spammer would but who is still bad for the community.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

The two main reasons people attack LW is:

people who criticise it because it is by far the largest instance, and thereby means lemmy isn’t as decentralised as it could be, I think this is a fair point, because it has caused federation issues with for example aussie.zone in the past.
Tankies who get mad the average lemmy.world user does not share their admiration for China, Russia, North Korea, Stalin, and Mao. Thereby accusing the whole instance of being “libs” and “bigots”.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Lemmy.world has kind of awful moderation, which means people who are trolls or bad actors have lived here for a very long time despite multiple reports. It was only recently that Linkerbaan (the most notorious one of all) was banned, and it took a thread complaining about bans in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and dbzer0 admins messaging them to get their attention.

There are other people here like that which never receive permanent bans for consistently horrible behavior. It's not great, and while I don't agree with Beehaw's decision to defederate over it I do think that things could be better. It does degrade user experience to have known trolls and assholes running wild and only getting a slap on the wrist when they do something horrible.

[–] Blaze 5 points 2 days ago

because it has caused federation issues with for example aussie.zone in the past.

Just to precise, it's still the case

[–] rowdyrockets@lemm.ee 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I’ll add 2 more that resonate with me:

Discussions of distributing copyright material is banned. (Not actually sharing, obviously that is illegal, but they’ve banned the mere discussion of it.)
They have not defederated from Meta’s Threads

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fwiw, LW seems ready to defederate from Threads at a moment's notice (post), but atm it doesn't matter since Threads isn't federating with Lemmy anyway.

Though it's still an excellent point to wonder why they haven't done it preemptively, like pretty much every other instance I've heard of (even lemm.ee's [blocked instance list[(https://lemm.ee/instances) that is shockingly short has that one). Perhaps bc the decision to defederate from any instance, and especially that one, has generated such negative feedback (as the post linked above mentions), they are hesitant to do anything at all, especially again while it does not matter right now.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The way they approached Threads is part of why I stuck with LW. Instance location doesn't matter much to me and why would I go with an option that is more willing to take choice out of my hands?

Corporate or not, it should be my decision to interact with it. Unless it's Nazis or some shit similar, I can block rather than rely on defederation and being told what to do.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

Well, I hear that but at the same time the counterargument seems fairly strong. As I understand it (not being a mod of any communities here myself) apparently the mod tools suck pretty bad, especially across instance barriers. And in particular it is reportedly lacking standard filtering capabilities so that if Threads were ever federated with, the sheer VOLUME of content would quickly overwhelm the ability of the mods to keep up. Hence, if Threads were to join the Threadiverse, then Lemmy as it currently is now would have no chance but would cease to exist, almost instantly. And we would become an unmoderated playground.

I have no idea how Threads itself handles moderation, but at a guess, it wouldn't (fully?) apply if people with Threads accounts were to comment on posts in Lemmy communities?

So Threads really is a special circumstance, not at all like federating with hexbear or exploding heads etc.

Even so, the admins do seem to be listening to the feedback of the users, rather than forcing that choice upon everyone, yeah:-).

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

sh.itjust.works has a much funnier name.

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 56 points 4 days ago (27 children)

I agree with you. IMO, it's not that different.

The big difference is between the tankie LARPer instances (lemmygrad, hexbear, parts of lemmy.ml) and the rest of the major instances.

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (17 children)

.world is the instance where most new users default to so and it has the highest user base and that includes a lot of trolls or just bad faith actors. Also, a lot of .world is based from reddit users who left and they brought that kind of mindset along. Some people don't like that either.

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