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“The majority of current members of parliament in Germany and even part of the German government, except Chancellor Olaf Scholz, are supportive,” former Deputy Finance Minister Florian Toncar, an FDP politician who lost his job when his party was kicked out of the government earlier this month, told Bloomberg Television on Tuesday.

This week’s decision by US President Joe Biden to allow Ukraine to use its longer-range ATACMS rockets against Russia didn’t prompt Scholz to drop his opposition to supplying the government in Kyiv with similar missiles. That’s a mistake, according to Toncar.

“We want to be in line with our closest allies,” he said in Berlin. “Their position has changed, so should I think also the German position” should change.

The US decision was justified by Vladimir Putin’s move to use North Korean soldiers in his war against Ukraine.

“We need to accept that only firmness and strength is respected ultimately by Mr. Putin,” Toncar said, adding that Russia is conducting psychological warfare and sabotage against Europe. “He is testing our willingness to to be firm on the issue. And so I think we should be.”

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[–] Saleh 17 points 1 month ago

Note that it was the FDP that denied Ukraine aid, unless social spending was cut. In 2022 the FDP was also quick to give up on Ukraine, so that business would not be affected.

For them Ukraine is an expendable chess piece for national politics.

[–] Kissaki 12 points 1 month ago

Is there a source for this other than the FDP? I don't believe anything from them anymore after their planned destruction of government while lying to the public, claiming the opposite. After that, anything they say feels like "are they lying again just to damage others again?".

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This will hopefully happen in around 4 months once Scholz is out of the way.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Scholz is not the only one who doesn't like the idea. There will be multiple pro russian parties or russian sponsored ones on the ballot, like BSW and AfD for example. Unlike the US, in Germany they can team up and rule as a coalition, if they find common ground.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Have you seen the opinion polls? The next government is either going to be CDU+SPD or CDU+Greens. The AfD will not go into the government because everyone rightfully refuses to deal with them.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

After the trump disaster I wouldn't count other far rights out yet. On the contrary: AfDs success in German states is deeply concerning. Their propaganda reaches young voters best. Polls sometimes are off.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 1 month ago

You mean the one that's limited to east Germany and it's not actually a success because the other parties will work together to keep them out of the government?

That would only be a remote risk if Germany was FPTP pseudo-democracy like the UK and former colonies.

[–] DmMacniel 2 points 1 month ago

sure AgD+BSW is highly unlikely to have any coalition power, but still they will remain in Bundestag, being destructive as ever (next to CxU)