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I see this way too often here on Lemmy, so I want to post this. Starting a commune is legal in most countries. If you believe in communism, you can found a commune and show us all how great it is.

You lack money? Well, that is literally what stock markets and venture capitalists (capitalism) are created to solve. If you are ready for an IPO, you can sell shares to raise funds. If you are not, you can get Venture Capital in exchange for shares until you are ready for an IPO.

Getting rid of capitalism means you need to find a different way to obtain funding for new ventures. And if your system relies on government charity (some government board handing you money) or taking resources violently, than your system sucks.

Edit: I don't mean that this is a replacement for full communist system. I mean this as a way to get some of the advantages while showing sceptics (like me) it can work and is better. A first step.

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[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did you just suggest selling the means of production to the bourgeoisie to fund a commune? I... what?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

No, I am saying that getting funding for new businesses is a necessary part of any economic system. It is clear to me how that works under capitalism. I have never seen a sane explanation on how that would work in democratic communism.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ah, see, that's a different question than how you get funding under communism under capitalism.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

So what is the difference? How does it work under communism? Some planning committee? So when someone wants to make an independent news broadcast, episode of South Park, or Fuck the government T-Shirt, they need to ask the government committee?

What about more serious things like abortion pills, anti-conception, hormone therapy for transgender people, a religious symbol? You want to entrust almost every aspect of your life (everything you can get in exchange for your work) to a committee?

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You'd rather entrust almost every aspect of your live to the benevolence of some people that do not have any oversight by the populous that they have power over by the means of controlling the capital?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I trust the greed of rich people. If people are willing to pay for something, at least some will invest in it to profit off of it.

Also, unlike with a committee, I don't need a majority of them to do so. That's the advantage of the capitalistic solution, you don't really need much trust.

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There is one problem with this: what's profitable and what's beneficial for society do not necessarily align.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Am I saying that we should give corporations a free run of the country? No, we should legislate them until they look like a models of virtue comparatively to now.

But the smart way to do it is to align their greed with our interests. As an example, creating a carbon tax is much better then government trying to implements specific green initiatives. The corporate greed will find efficient and innovative way to reduce emissions compared to the heavy handed and inefficient regulations the governments do.

If that is not possible, then just legislate them normally. Or even make a government run/funded competitors. In Slovak republic, insurance companies are private except one that is government run and serves as a lowest bar that others have to compete with.

Let corporations do what they do best, which is optimizing the economy and let governments regulate what needs to be regulated.

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

One example where that doesn't seem to work is public infrastructure. There is just no way to make this profitable and simultaneously provide a service that actually meets the needs of the public in terms of availability and price.

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

I'd imagine it works the same as it does under capitalism but instead of pitching to a set of private investors the investment decisions are made... Democratically?