After the self-immolation, the US put more pressure on Diệm to re-open negotiations on the faltering agreement. Diệm had scheduled an emergency cabinet meeting at 11:30 a.m. on 11 June to discuss the Buddhist crisis which he believed to be winding down. Following Quảng Đức's death, Diệm canceled the meeting and met individually with his ministers. Acting US Ambassador to South Vietnam William Trueheart warned Nguyễn Đình Thuận, Diệm's Secretary of State, of the desperate need for an agreement, saying that the situation was "dangerously near breaking point" and expected Diệm would meet the Buddhists' five-point manifesto. United States Secretary of State Dean Rusk warned the Saigon embassy that the White House would publicly announce that it would no longer "associate itself" with the regime if this did not occur.[29] The Joint Communiqué and concessions to the Buddhists were signed on 16 June.[30]

So what's the key difference? IMO "dangerously near breaking point". We aren't in danger of a breaking point. What are you going to do, vote for a even more conservative person? The 1% has crafted themselves a win win situation with First Past The Post voting. The liberal party in Canada recently promised electoral reform to their voters, yet the voting system remains.

Because that's democracy, having a insanely limited amount of options to vote for. Feeling represented yet? No? Fuck you, vote for my guy. That's democracy, fuck you and what you believe, just vote for my guy.

Have you ever talked to a democrat about voting third party before? Boy they sure seem to understand the faults of First Past The Post voting, because nearly every single one you talk to about this will mention how a vote not for their guy is a vote for the other guy. How can you point out these glaring mathematical faults of our voting system and then, some way some how, wash your hands of the issue Post election?

Now hang on just one second my blue conservative "ally", you can't just do nothing about the voting system after bringing up all those flaws when we discussed voting for a third party. You can't lecture people on how to vote in "the most important election ever" and then not work tirelessly to enact state level reforms to fix the problems YOU YOURSELF enthusiasticly bring up to vote shame people into supporting your guy.

Here are some videos on the topic if you’d like to know more:

First Past The Post voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

Other electoral systems to choose from:

Alternative vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

Ranked Choice voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2fRPRkWvY

Range Voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig

Single Transferable Vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

STAR voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mOeUXAkV0

Mixed Member Proportional representation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

You realize the voter you speak to has no influence on policies right? They are right that in current america you cannot vote for 3rd parties without helping fascists get in power. However a vote for blue doesnt mean something about the system gets changed either. At least it will not make things much worse and maybe improve some other stuff. Voting for a third party will not help. The only thing that would change the political system in america is a revolution to tear the current system down. That will be bloody in america though.

[–] juice702@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

And it’ll change absolutely nothing

[–] PancakeTrebuchet@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but this person just threw away their life with an act that will have zero impact and is going to be forgotten by Wednesday.

Poor kid.

[–] NautiNolana@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Bingo

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pointless death by a brainwashed youth. Mental health crisis among teens is already at a breaking point and now they're getting 24/7 emotionally charged war footage and calls to action. You can protest without giving your life and it will be just as effective. Stunts like this sway no one.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And realistically, what the fuck is the Canadian government going to do? Go to war with Israel and by extension the US?

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I distinctly remember the liberals in Canada promised electoral reform recently and then didn't implement it.

So I guess step 1 is keeping the promises you make to the people who voted for you.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

That would be great, but what does it have to do with Israel/Palestine?

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c

Thích Quảng Đức was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk who died by self-immolation (...) protesting against the persecution of Buddhists by the South Vietnamese government of Ngô Đình Diệm, a staunch Roman Catholic. Photographs of his self-immolation circulated around the world, drawing attention to the policies of the Diệm government. John F. Kennedy said of one photograph, "No news picture in history has generated so much emotion around the world as that one.

Calling them brainwashed is disrespectul and ignorant of similar acts that, while they haven't been enough to change policy, have invigorated social movements that sometimes resulted in the goals they were aiming for. The fact that you use "brainwashed" specifically almost makes me think that you can't even understand how people could see the murders of tens of thousands of children as something worth taking radical action for.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 months ago

I use brainwashed because they are a child not fully capable of understanding the gravity of their actions. I call it pointless because he's in Canada and like the 3rd or 4th guy to do this and the headline won't even last a week at this point.

Your example is a grown man fully capable of understanding his actions. He was part of the group and he was the first to self immolate in his movement.