Ah, you fell for one of the classic blunders: expecting your opponent to value logic and consistency in their opinions
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Yeah my fault. You can't really expect them to treat logic with respect when they are balls deep in an altarboy.
Eggs aren't fertilized and thus aren't embryos tho.
I already checked they can eat fertilized eggs as well.
I mean, unless people are eating Filipino Balut on a regular basis.... I don't think that the vast majority of eggs are fertilized.
I guess Balut is a good question and the island / city of Ilo Ilo is predominantly Catholic. So I could ask around lol. But honestly, I avoid that food. It just doesn't look right....
I looked it up and it doesn't matter for the purposes of lent if it is fertilized or not
I mean you say that but I'm pretty sure my mom's island is the only place in the world where fertilized eggs are eaten on a regular basis and also has a majority Catholic population.
And I've never heard of this situation really coming up. I'd expect the answer to be written in Ilocano as well.
How and where did you look this up?
I found out about it this week and just looked around online plus asked a Pinay friend.
Pinay ain't enough. My Dad is from Luzon and has never had Balut in his life. A lot of shit talking happens between islands.
Ilocano specifically is what I'd trust as an authority.
Even then, those crazies on the island of Ilo Ilo really like their Balut. They may ignore the rule in favor of eating their local delicacy.
I think a Catholic priest from the island of Ilo Ilo would be the authority on the discussion. But yeah, I dont think this is something you'd easily look up from an English-speaking perspective.
You know it really doesn't matter because there is no way anyone eating eggs on the regular hasn't had a fertilized one at least once. Chickens need to be mated to start producing eggs and quail eggs are often sold fertilized.
Chickens don't have to be mated to lay eggs. I have 7 chickens, no rooster, and get on average 7 eggs a day.
Also have 1 goose who lays a clutch off eggs once a year. But I don't have a male goose.
If you've looked around online can you at least post a link? If not, could you say what website the link was from?
I dunno why you are being so hostile.
It's an interesting thought experiment for sure. But it only works out if the precise wording is as you say.
As far as Catholic tradition goes, IIRC it's because meat is a luxury afforded to by the rich. Eating humbly on Fridays is the actual tradition. That's why Fish is allowed (during Jesus time, Fish was the food of the poor. But times have changed...)
Also because Fish isn't meat according to ancient Hebrew. I don't think this is about the 'livliness' of the animal.
I posted one already in this thread. Just find it strange that the RCC acknowledges that a fetus isn't an adult in one context (yummy eggs) but it does in another context (oppressing and murdering women).
You are missing the point and the underlying nuances of tradition here.
The nuance is that under Hebrew / Greek / Latin, the words for Flesh/Meat/etc. Etc. Don't line up to today's words. As such, the Catholic Church allows individual cultures / local Bishops to make rulings on their idea of the original text and how it lines up to culture.
For the Catholic American, the American Catholic Bishops have gone with the 'Flesh' definition of the ancient tradition. Eggs, even if fertilized, are not flesh. Furthermore, only humans have souls as per Catholic tradition so no problems with chickens, pigs, cattle or other animals. Never have had an issue.
The embryo / pro life thing is more about pro-birth and population dynamics.
That's why religious people's brains are exploding over the IVF debate. But you won't get anyone with this eggs thing.
If an egg isn't a chicken a fetus isn't an adult. I don't give a flying fucking shit what some bronze age idiots wrote in their moldly old scrolls.
The Catholic Church is being hypocritical and if they stop ramming the altarboys for a second maybe they could notice that. Bunch of child rapists corrupting democracy to lecture the rest of us on sexual morality.
Goddamn, well fucking said.
You don’t want the Catholic Church there. The bible differentiates between Fetus and children.
Which is why it was such a controversy when the then pope declared that Catholics should not use contraception back in the 60ies.
You realise how sexual morality is different from views on what constitutes a human being?
Logic in religion? Sorry, friend, but that's a no can do