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Tesla knew Autopilot caused death, but didn't fix it::Software's alleged inability to handle cross traffic central to court battle after two road deaths

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[–] BruinBears@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do agree the name and Teslas general advertising of drivers assists are a bit misleading.

But this is really on the driver for not paying attention.

[–] Doug7070@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"A bit misleading" is, I think, a bit of a misleading way to describe their marketing. It's literally called Autopilot, and their marketing material has very aggressively pitched it as a 'full self driving' feature since the beginning, even without mentioning Musk's own constant and ridiculous hyperbole when advertising it. It's software that should never have been tested outside of vehicles run by company employees under controlled conditions, but Tesla chose to push it to the public as a paid feature and significantly downplay the fact that it is a poorly tested, unreliable beta, specifically to profit from the data generated by its widespread use, not to mention the price they charge for it as if it were a normal, ready to use consumer feature. Everything about their deployment of the system has been reckless, careless, and actively disdainful of their customers' safety.

[–] anlumo@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Everybody who has a bit of an idea what an autopilot in a plane actually does is not mislead. Do people really think that commercial airline pilots just hit the “autopilot” button in their cockpit after disengaging the boarding ramp and then lean back until the boarding ramp at the destination is attached?

[–] El_illuminacho@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you think companies need to warn about stuff like "Caution, Contents are hot" on paper coffee shops? People are stupid.

[–] anlumo@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Those labels are there because people made a quick buck suing the companies when they messed up, not to protect the stupid customers.

If the courts would apply a reasonable level of common sense, they wouldn’t exist.

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So I need to understand the autopilot of a plane first before I buy a car?

I would be mislead then, as I have no idea how such autopilots work. I also suspect that those two systems don't really work the same. One flies, the other drives. One has traffic lights, the other doesn't. One is operated by well paid professionals, the other, well, by me. Call me simple, but there seem to be some major differences.

[–] anlumo@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, there are some major differences in the vehicles, but both disengage when there's anything out of the ordinary going on. Maybe people base their understanding of autopilots on the movie "Airplane!" where that inflatable puppet groped the Stewardess afterwards.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's time to give up the Tesla FSD dream. I loved the idea of it when it came out, and believed it would get better over time. FSD simply hasn't. Worse, Musk has either fired or lost all the engineering talent Telsa had. FSD is only going to get worse from here and it's time to put a stop to it.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's like three comments in here talking about the technology, everyone else is arguing about names like people are magically absolved of personal responsibilities when they believe advertising over common sense.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Because the tech has inarguably failed. It's all about the lawyers and how long they can extend Tesla's irresponsibility.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't, or couldn't? Tesla uses a vastly inferior technology to run their "automated" driving protocols. It's a hardware problem first and foremost.

It's like trying to drive a car with a 720p resolution camera mounted on the license plate holder versus a 4k monitor on the top of the car. That's not a perfect analogy, but it's close enough for those not aware of how cheap these cars and their tech really is.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It remains to be seen what hardware is required for autonomous driving as no company has a fully functioning system, so there is no baseline to compare to. Cruise (the "4k monitor" in your anaology) just had to cut their fleet of geofenced vehicles after back to back crashes involving emergency vehicles along with blocking traffic and attempting to run over things like fire hoses.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

driving as no company has a fully functioning

Mercedes made level 4.