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[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 38 points 1 day ago

“A group of men walking on the other direction made a comment to me. My girlfriend, Tori, said ‘hey that’s my girlfriend,'" MacLean told CTVNews. “They continued walking and Tori followed them to basically say: ‘That is not OK’.”

Don't ever do this, no matter who you are.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (53 children)

atheism is the answer. until we as a whole reject religion, these incidents will be recurring.

[–] vonxylofon@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Doesn't work. USSR murdered and prisoned both religious people and gay people alike. The answer is not being a fucking cockwomble, which is admittedly more easily done if you're an atheist, but by no means is a guarantee.

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[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I know homophobes that are atheists. while religion being gone would decrease it, do not expect it to be gone just because of that. People will always have issues with people different than they are.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (21 children)

yes, but with religion out of the way, we can implement better education to reduce 'otherism' bias. i am convinced that the only obstacles stopping us from being better humans are all rooted in BS fairy tales.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You can be convinced, you will be wrong though. Religion is a means of justifying otherism, not the origin of it. People will just create another bunch of bullshit to justify why they aren't bad people.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (5 children)

While true they won't have a belief system that backs it up, it won't have the power behind it.

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[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (10 children)

I'd encourage LGBTQ folk to relocate to western and northern Europe. It ain't perfect, but you're very unlikely to get the shit kicked out of you.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not sure about that for the UK at least. My British friends say Labour is going anti trans

[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

That's true. They don't call it terf island for nothing.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Violent people should be brought to justice, this is unacceptable.

There are many Muslim or Islamic immigrants who live in Western countries just fine, what happened here? Many Muslim and Islamic immigrants are LGBT+.

The root cause of the issue in this incident should be examined, and if all else fails violent immigrants should be deported.

[–] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I work with middle eastern guys who are like this, they hide this side of themselves when I'm around (white guy) but it comes out when my female coworkers are alone. It's common enough that I've heard about it from multiple people. But when I'm around they're great and I consider them good work friends.

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[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 126 points 3 days ago (5 children)

for those who haven't read the woman's FB post, here is a clip:

"..were attacked on Saturday night by a group of 7-10+ middle eastern men, believed to be from Syria, aged 18-25"

Canada has a lot of issues at this moment, stemming in part from increased immigration in the last 3 years (causing housing issues, etc). This sort of event, "brown people beating up white women" could be a dangerous racial catalyst.

I hope this gets dealt with as a single incident, but given current affairs, I am not optimistic.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Immigration is such a fucked up issue almost everywhere. You've got the right blaming everything on brown people and the left claiming all immigrants are just peace loving pacifists looking for a better life.

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

You cannot tell me you support equality for all when your religion makes your wife walk 5 steps behind you in a beekeeper suit at 30c weather while you get to strut around in shorts and flip-flops.

[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I agree, and it goes both ways. I was taking to a Mexican immigrant yesterday who hasn't been home to see his mother in more than 20 years as he doesn't have the ability to cross the border, and she has continuously been denied visas without explanation.

There's a lot of shit the US puts immigrants through as they walk on the edge of being allowed to exist here. My opinion is that we should both open our borders, and document the people who come through.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

First generation migrants tend to be, in most receiving countries, less likely to commit crime than native-born population.

http://www.antoniocasella.eu/nume/Bersani_2012.pdf

They found that immigrant men and women were less criminally active than native-born men and women in regard to self-reported crime, being stopped by the police, being charged with a crime, and having contact with a criminal justice agency. This pattern of lower levels of criminal activity among immigrants compared to the native-born held in models controlling for key background characteristics including a variety of educational, employment, and family history measures.

The problem comes with latter generations, if the receiving country isn't doing an adequate job at integrating them. If the parents work really long hours, aren't capable of spending much time with their kids, have trouble to pay kindergarten and have trouble teaching their kids the local language, if the kids are victimized by racist bullying at school, have less means to do well academically and land a good job, and are generally otherized by society, they're at a larger risk getting alienated and engaging in antisocial behavior and even crime.

So, if you don't want migration to be a problem, invest in public schooling (including kindergarten), offer classes teaching the local language to adults, empower unions, protect labor, and fight racism.

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