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Summary

Russian official Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Vladimir Putin, suggested Donald Trump’s election victory may benefit Russia’s interests in Ukraine, citing Trump’s reluctance to fund “idiotic allies” and “voracious international organizations.”

Although Medvedev stopped short of celebrating, he hinted Trump’s aversion to foreign spending could weaken U.S. support for Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky cautiously congratulated Trump, recalling their recent discussion on U.S.-Ukraine cooperation.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov maintained a guarded tone, noting the U.S. remains an “unfriendly country” involved in the Ukraine conflict.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago

Yeah the Orange Sack of Shit is useful to a lot of people.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

A classic that is so relevant now. youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 40 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, they're gloating now. But who knows, maybe Trump will backstab Putin like he backstabs everyone else. Though it's unlikely, since he seems to cower whenever he's near his Daddy Vladdy.

[–] x0chi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

All about money! If there's money for trump then he will sell whatever he can to get that money.

[–] el_eh_chase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Trump also probably still holds a grudge against Ukraine for not manufacturing/finding dirt on Biden during the last election, or whatever the particulars were.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

And don't forget his impeachment over Ukraine too. He is going to fuck them hard. I really hope Europe can pick up the slack on arms production quickly.

[–] el_eh_chase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 44 minutes ago

Ukraine's chances have certainly taken a hit after this election. I also hope Europe starts producing more arms to back Ukraine. Europe needs to do that now and so much more.

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[–] ravhall@discuss.online 55 points 7 hours ago (17 children)

All those lemmy.ml people did their jobs bashing Harris to get trump elected.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

The genocide will continue until moral improves

[–] x0chi@lemmy.world 1 points 59 minutes ago

Stupid people. Not being able to see the less worse side makes them stupid people.

And siding with the side that will bring worse to the table just because you can't handle something that the less worse side does? That also makes them stupid people in terms of general and emotional intelligence.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (5 children)

I have voted blue in every election since Obama McCain, despite not liking a single one of the General election candidates, and I phone banked and primaried for Bernie twice.

I don't blame those who sat out. The only reason I don't is to maximize harm reduction so I can look myself in the mirror. I blame those that voted for Trump for Trump.

We have a center right party and a fascist party, both hypercapitalist. You can scream at democratic socialists like me and other leftists, but in my entire lifetime, we have never had a party platform to enthusiastically vote for, only against the worst of 2 terrible options that embrace economic inequity and are well bribed to do so.

And singling them out as the worst offenders for doing nothing on election day while people voted FOR the fascist has just ensured keeping those that decided to disengage stay disengaged, because the neoliberals that run the Democrat party seem to hate leftists even more than Republicans, and say the same thing every cycle to them.

Because at least Republicans believe in our herp derp "free" market capitalist economy, amirite? I wish that commonality our supposed leftwing party has had with Republicans for ages, but especially since Reagan, would tell you something...

Because a society shouldn't be comfortable with an economy that by design leaves so many of its people "losing" so hard they're dying of exposure on our streets, let alone BOTH of our only 2 political parties that matter. But we aren't a society, just a bunch of rugged individuals at each other's throats fighting for the owner's ever dwindling scraps.

[–] swunchy@lemm.ee 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The fact that liberals are blaming leftists and other liberals for this result instead of the complete and utter failings of the Democratic party this election cycle is mind boggling. Having Biden run for a second term was a huge blunder. Then when he was clearly unfit to run again, they rammed Harris through, even though she already primaried in 2020 and was extremely unpopular. Will the dnc take the blame and change anything though? Absolutely fucking not! They'll blame the voters for being racist or sexist or unmotivated or leftist or dumb or whatever. And people will eat it up, look at these comment sections already

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Yes this loss lies squarely with the Democratic Party and their failure to produce a candidate that could win. Instead they forced Kamala on us and campaigned on “Trump bad” instead of policies that would benefit ALL Americans. Not just outlier groups they were trying to win, particularly failing to win any meaningful support from Hispanic and Muslim voters.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There was actually a lot of enthusiasm for her. But she didn't change his campaign. She ran it the exact same way. And his campaign was already causing people to disengage. I remember in the spring he was trying to celebrate the economy and his advisors whined to the press that the people didn't agree with him. Did they change that messaging? No they doubled down and told their base they were wrong. Their financial trouble was just Republican propaganda.

Which is insane for a political campaign.

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 1 points 14 seconds ago

It’s a good thing they bet and lost it all again

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 62 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole is a microcosm that doesn't make much of a difference one way or the other. We can stab at the tankies all we like, but it wasn't their influence in the Fediverse that caused the result, even if they did manage to hoodwink a few into voting for fake tan man.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 24 points 6 hours ago

It wasn't their influence alone, of course not.

They were just part of the bigger propaganda machine that infiltrated so many social media sites.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 8 points 5 hours ago

Taking a broader perspective, social media and those who manipulate it played a huge role in Trump's win. And Lemmy's part of that, like it or not.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Oh please, 20 million voters that didn't vote wasn't affected by the rantings of a few people on Lemmy or Reddit.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 4 points 4 hours ago

And Xitter, and Facebook. They have those accounts too.

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[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 134 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

The USA just lost the cold war.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 70 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

America has abandoned Ukraine and NATO.

Time for Europe to step up.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 49 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Europe has already been pulling their weight in Ukraine. Now they'll also have to pick up the slack that they US is about to create.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Financially absolutely. We do not have the military industrial complex to replace the armaments that the US has been providing however.

I'm sure Ukraine has been preparing for this eventually but I really fear for them and the medium term consequences for us all if Putin gets his way in this war. :(

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 44 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Everyone should know about The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia

That plan from 1997 is literally being implemented before our eyes. And now that trump is in again it will accelerate much faster than it has been (so far with Brexit, Ukraine, trump, partnering w/ Iran, far right in Germany). Next removing US from NATO and driving France and Germany apart.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Well that's fucking terrifying. Project 1997.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 81 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

RIP Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan. It was nice knowing you.

I hope any Jill Stein voters are happy

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

You can not blame this on Jill Stein voters. Trump kicked Kamala’s ass. Maybe not a landslide but it wasn’t close by any means.

I wouldn’t worry about Taiwan either. Not a chance in hell anyone around trump allows him to abandon them as their microchip factories are vital to literally everything we do in this country.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 42 points 7 hours ago (9 children)

The Jill Stein votes wouldnt even make a dent in the staggering votes for the Republicans...

[–] lapping6596@lemmy.world 35 points 6 hours ago

Yup, Democrats only win elections when they show up to vote. And Democrats did not show up this year.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 46 points 8 hours ago

Realistic headline: Russia finally wins Cold War by installing orange shithead for second time

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Obviously. Trump is a Russian asset, always has been.

Goodbye support to Ukraine, hello to American boots on the ground in Russia

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 48 minutes ago

It's probably too soon to expect something like that. Simply withdrawing support is likely to accomplish the same goal, and with far less fuss, plus leaves Russia looking all strong to do it without American help, and also the lowered friction reduces the chances of like another assassination attempt on Trump's life or an attempted upheaval of the entire government.

Anyway, I'm saying that if Russia doesn't absolutely need those boots, then it's better for Russia actually, in the long term, to refuse such aid even if it were offered.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Jesus Christ that last thought hadn't even entered my head. I can't see Poland or the Baltics putting up with that though.

FML.

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