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Star Trek fans have held the national stereotype of being way too rabid about things for decades but theyβre probably the nicest fan base in all of science fiction and the one least likely to have a large faction of them absolutely lose it over a torpedo being fired by a woman or dumb shit like that
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anyone that tries to say star trek has "gone woke" or some stupid shit like that clearly isn't a fan of it and just trying to rile up stuff. I mean come on... how can someone say that and have watched the shows LOL
Yeah, its not like Star Trek suddenly went woke, its been woke. First ever TV kiss between mixed races was between Kirk and Uhura. Scandalous.
That's actually a common misconception. Not to downplay the significance of what Shatner and Nichols pulled off to get around the various censors (ruining alternate takes and such), but many TV shows did it before Star Trek.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television
I think it was the first one that was both broadcast nationally in a primetime slot and where the actors were easily identifiable as having different ethnicities on a tiny TV screen. Would explain the misconception.
And they're not even that woke. Afaik they still ocasionally eat animals in the 24th century. (Unless they're Vulcan.) Watch The Orville if you want some proper progressive shit π
Not to mention the first black woman officer and the first black/white kiss.
the first black/white kiss.
...in a drama series. This was the first:
That's Lynn Fontanne kissing Sammy Davis, Jr. at the 1965 Emmys.
As far as the first interracial kiss, that does have a star trek connection- Desi kissing Lu in 1951.
On top of that, Shatner himsellf kissed France Nuyen on the Ed Sullivan show in 1958.
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2019/09/11/not-the-first-interracial-kiss-on-tv/
Specifically why I said black/white. and peck on the cheek isn't consider a "kiss" by most people. (although it probably caused a stir). This was also right in the middle of the black civil rights movement which made it that much more risky.
I kinda lost it when Janeway fired more photon torpedos than the ship had upon entering the Delta quadrant. Where did she get the extra torpedoes?! She's a witch!
They figured a way to fabricate their own. Like the shuttles.
Head cannon is that 1/3 of voyager is taken up by a massive shuttle manufactory. It's never discussed but it must be there...Otherwise, none of this shit makes any sense.π¬
They could do it in the shuttle bay, they wouldn't need much more space than a finished shuttle takes up. We know they have shipboard replimats for larger things, I figure replicating and building standard shuttle models on long voyages has standardized procedures and steps like Lego instructions. You only need to replicate one piece at a time saving on space. Gotta replace your shuttles somehow on those 5 years missions and the nearest Starbase is months away.
I don't think anyone cares about a torpedo being fired by a woman
What people do care about is continuity, at least trying to keep characters consistent, good stories, etc.
Hence why most of the nu-trek shows and movies are such utter crap, as it's CGI over story while completely ignoring 50 years of history.
Picard show, for example... Beverly crusher who once disobeyed a direct.order to save a victim after a bombing attack, who made a point about being peaceful is now a ninja assassin. Seven of nine, who made a point about improving, being better, now is a mad mass murderer who wants revenge for everything. Picard, who once was thoughtful, highly intelligent and respected, is now a bumbling old man.
Star trek which once was about being better is now about fuck fuck fuckerdy fuck fuck fuck because that's star trek now, man, get with the program, it's cool man!
I can go on for hours about Picard, let's not. Discovery is somehow even worse. Those movies where they just did older movies again but now with new! And! Improved! CGI! CGI CGI CGI! Lense flaaaaaaaare!
With TNG I so could imagine living there on one of those star ships. Nu trek crap ships are just ... I don't even know where to begin
Add a broody darkness over that with regular over the top violence, and yeah, we really have star trek!
Long live the Orville, the new star trek
I don't think most NuTrek is utter crap. Some is written for me, some isn't.
SNW and Lower Decks are some of my favorite Trek.
Continuity doesn't matter too much to me, just how the shows make me feel. TOS threw continuity out the window within the first few episodes when they introduced time travel.
Also, if you expect someone to be the same person, fictional or not, 30 years later into their life, you haven't lived long enough. The person who is the same human they were twenty years ago, is someone who has wasted twenty years of their life.
Times change. The new shows have brought in a lot of new fans. That's not a bad thing. Maybe instead of getting angry that new stuff isn't made with your tastes in mind, watch something you enjoy instead.
If style and continuity doesn't matter for you then fine, let them make their shoe exactly how they want it to be, but don't use the star trek name as an bait and switch advertising stunt. If you want to call it star trek, let it BE star trek. Nu trek movies are a horribly bad made rehash of the earlier movies all focussed on CGI and pew pew. The shows are dark and broody crap, the animated shows were skipped after seeing how awful the trailers were. Star trek is done.
You're responding to a comment from a month ago.
Style and continuity in Star Trek has been varied ever since the original movies and TNG.
If you want to hate something, fine. You do you. Waste time and energy being angry about a fictional franchise and move on with your life.
But don't think that your stance of "I don't like it" holds any weight to the people that do.
Yeah, inrespond late. Blame the connect app for that, responding is hard.
In any case, my stance is not "I don't like it", that would be the summary of it. It's much moroe than that, which I already wrote.
You're responding almost a month later again. Get a better app.
And yes. That is your stance. You said a bunch of things you don't like. None of which are objective truths, just opinions.
This is beyond dumb and I'm not responding anymore. Touch grass.
Yeah Discovery was way too dark for me. My trek has a good time all the time.
Agreed about The Orville - the greatest homage to get cheap sets and great scriptwriting down. Also all other planets are the California woods.
Figuratively but also literally. What happened with just normal plain lighting where you can see things, you know, like places where we work and live?
No, everything has to look dark and broody and scary
Your rhetoric is out of date, Strange New Worlds is great and IMO Lower Decks is too, even as someone that hates DISCO and Picard.
Its not out of date, I simply stopped caring and watching. Star trek sucked since after enterprise. I've watched the horrendous movies, I've watched the cringe shows they showed down our throats all the way to Picard which managed to ruin TNG for me. Can't even watch that anymore without remembering how badly they broke everything.
So I'm done
Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks both started airing after Picard.
I know. Don't care anymore. All the high praises you're giving now were also given for every season of Picard.. okay okay! Season one, which we praised into the heavens, was a dud, but this one, season 2, this one will be IT! Aaaaannddd it sucked donkey balls.. but okay, season 3 then, will be the best evah!
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Same crap with Discovery before that
Same crap with the god godawful movies
I'm done
That seems like an awfully judgmental rant, for a thread about how nice Star Trek fans are.
Your comment makes me wonder if you read any of it at all.
Pre 2000 trek is awesome, wholesome, makes you think. It wasn't just inclusive, it made you think about why inclusivity is good. It hasd graat stories and great entertainment to keep you in. It had designs that made you feel like you could really live there.
New trek is "WE HAVE A GAY COUPLE AT THE SHOW LOOK AT US!" Whilst the stories, characters , and designs are beyond horrid. Canon is toilet paper in that you wipe your behind with it.
But if anyone points this out, you get your comments at best, or at worst you get immediately banned, made out to be a nazi, sexist or more of that sort of fun.
Im sure Picard would have a word or two to say about virtue signalling, but current trek fans don't really seem to care much.