Results from me asking this 1Y ago: https://lemm.ee/post/4593760
Went with Joplin and using it since.
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Probably Joplin is the easiest to use. Looks like OneNote but it's different in many ways.
I use nextcloud notes because I already have nextcloud and my needs are not that sophisticated
I'm going to try this out. I hesitated because I was considering switching to Owncloud Infinite Scale, but I'm not going to bother because I decided the file structure OCIS uses is a deal-breaker (way too complex to recover in a disaster).
Welcome to the rabbit hole of selfhosted note-taking apps. https://selfh.st/apps/?tag=Note-Taking
Unfortunately, this is going to be a bit of a journey. You'll probably end up going through a few of these options until you find one that works for you and fits your workflow.
I use https://silverbullet.md and love it, it's a bit more than a note taking app, but it's definitely worth it.
I've been getting on well with notesnook, the self hosting is in beta right now but its just a docker container. Docs are coming for self hosting in the near future.
The criteria for me when I was looking for a notes app were:
- self hosted
- e2e encrypted
- supports images and other rich media as well as text
- can use markdown for text formatting
- supports mobile as well as some desktop interface
- can make lists with checkable boxes
- background sync
Notesnook hits all of these. I wish it had a dedicated desktop app but that's something I can just use a browser window for.
Notesnook has a desktop app. Does it not work with self hosted implementation?
You're right! I missed it somehow
Obsidian is pretty neat. Can use it with Syncthing, although I guess you need Syncthing-Fork on Android now.
Obsidian is not open source but i also think it's pretty neat.
Resilio sync works great for that since syncthing is on the out. I actually prefer Resilio anyways
What's this about Syncthing now?
Dev discontinued the app due to google being difficult to maintain.
Ah damn. Thanks for the info
See my comment about Resilio sync above
It's still in alpha but hoarder is promising
It's designed to organize bookmarks, but can also support markdown notes with picture (a single picture, not multiple pictures)
Unfortunately at the moment the mobile app is so alpha that doesn't support creation or editing such notes, only new bookmarks or new photos.
It uses a headless chromium to make screenshots for URLs.
Optionally, can use a bullshit generator like ollama or openai api keys to automatically create a lot of useless tags to each note
I'd vote for anytype or obsidian
Anytype has a learning curve, But it has built-in encryption and IPFS syncing provided by the company. The templating system is really slick and the relational aspect is pretty solid.
Obsidian + syncthing fork is a really solid contender. It's much easier to work with out of the box but the features are a little more generic.
Neither of these are really self-hosted, so much as they are contained in their own ecosystem. You get some measure of higher availability that you have to really work for if you're really self-hosting a product.
Hm at some point Anytime apps will be configurable for custom servers tho (i assumed they were already but i might have been wrong).
Obsidian also has some interesting sync plugins that dont require syncthing
The crypto is decent, it's electron so it's source available. If you want to ignore their hosting solution, you can disable the syncing and just take the vault from its config directory and sync it yourself
The real downsides are that it's not actual open source, so if they decided to screw around with the security or turn the crypto off somebody can't just fork it.
After trying a bunch, I'm using Obsidian + now. Good thing with Obsidian is your notes are ultimately a bunch of plaintext files, so you can do whatever you want with them, and it comes with clients for most platforms.
Another option is Trilium, it is pretty powerful, and has a webapp so as long as you can access a browser, you'll be able to access your notes. https://github.com/zadam/trilium
+1 for the open source option: Trilium The project is being maintained here: https://github.com/TriliumNext/Notes
Been using Logseq since February and it's been a game changer. My only gripes are a) inability to access via browsers, and b) lack of a quick note function. Sometimes I still use Keep to jot something down and transfer later. Logseq spends a solid 5+ seconds syncing upon opening, which can feel like an eternity when trying to quickly log something.
For browser, there is a webapp that can be selfhosted. See here https://github.com/logseq/logseq/blob/master/docs/docker-web-app-guide.md
I think you need chromium browsers due to the API they use, but it should work.
I've used Joplin before which was okay-ish (but borked the e2e encryption during an update).
Now I would recommend Silverbullet if you are really keen on self hosting a notes app.
But the notes that work best for me is simply Obsidian + Syncthing-Fork (you could self host a syncthing server), thanks to its sheer ability to adapt to nearly any use case thanks to its plugin.
If you go this route, OP, and have an Android phone, then you should know the (very sad and disappointing) news that SyncThing for Android is about to be shut down.
But Syncthing Fork is not shut down and is still maintained (never used the main version tbh).
https://github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android-fdroid
https://f-droid.org/packages/com.github.catfriend1.syncthingandroid/
Oooohh. TIL. Thanks!
What was wrong with Joplin? I was thinking about giving it a try.
I also tried Joplin and while it's great while using it, there's no background sync and never will be. That's a huge pain when you're mobile and need to get at your notes but have little or no signal.
Not the OP, but I believe they're talking about the upgrade from 128 bit AES to 256 bit AES. It created some compatibility issues between clients for a few days as the ones that weren't updated yet couldn't decrypt the newer 256 AES encrypted notes. That was my experience anyways. It's a great app/server from my personal experience.
Trilium. You'll be glass you tried it.
Are you threatening to nuke my home if I don't!?
Trilium is an excellent option, however, the original project is no longer maintained. There is a new community fork that is active here: https://github.com/TriliumNext/Notes
I use Memos and love it.
I connect to it from my desktop at home and from my phone via a WireGuard VPN and it's everything I need. Worth a look, I think.
Memos fits a wide variety of uses and is the first note system that has clicked for me. I use it for quick notes so I don't forget things, journal-like entries, save for later (like Pocket), shopping lists and other todos.
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I setup nextcloud and just use that to backup my Obsidian notes. But I also use next cloud deck depending on the type of notes or list I'm making
Nextcloud has a Notes app too
This is what I use
Obsidian but with syncthing here, just syncs the files across my devices.
You should take a look at the selfhosted live sync plugin for obsidian. It's been working flawlessly for me for the past year.
Doesn't it actually require you to sign up to an account on some app hosting platform, rather than self host it?
No, but that is an option if you dont have the hardware to self host it. I have it on one of my vms on my server in the basement.
EDIT: I just took another look at the github repo and it kind of looks like you can't just selfhost it, but you can, the main readme is just a little confusing. Click on the "Setup your CouchDB" link in the manual section and the selfhosted via docker guide is there.
Appflowy if Notion appels you. It is not 1.0 yet so some features you need might not be there.
Man we need a giant comparison table. I looked into these but have been trying out SiYuan.
Yea... I may put one together because I've tried so many just trying to find the right fit and that includes handwriting support. I wish Obsidian had better handwriting support because it's my favorite notes app.
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Never heard of them. Will check them out sometime. Thx.
Affine is a newer project and has interesting features. Outline is more mature. I prefer outline a little bit more 😌
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