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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah I'm perfectly fine with not being on the same side as people openly embracing Dick Cheney and weird people can't figure out how being active in genocide is bad.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (13 children)

"I'm not going to support Dick Cheney, so I'm going to help the guy even Dick Cheney thinks takes things too far."

And disingenuous people "can't figure out" how not stopping the current weapons sales is still better than giving Israel even more and better weapons and telling them to wipe the place out.

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[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Nobody expects Kamala to solve it. They do expect her to stop supporting genocide.

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[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How tf does one "excerpt pressure?"

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 2 days ago (70 children)
[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 60 points 2 days ago (2 children)

At least some, like Ralph Nader, regretted it. Now we have those actively seeking to spoil the vote.

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[–] banner80@fedia.io 61 points 2 days ago (82 children)

The comment section for this type of posts is always such a shit show.

This is essentially saying 2 things:

1 - It's insane that some here seem to think that to remain "independent" of politics you can abstain or vote third party to show your discontent for how slowly the Dems deal with Natenyahu's BS. Your abstain or 3rd party vote does nothing to "move the Dems to the left" when in reality you are removing them from power to give it to Trump, who has already promised to triple down on helping Netanyahu achieve whatever he wants.

The election is happening right now. There's no time and space to negotiate new candidates or parties. It's either the disappointing Dems, or the christo-fascist GOP. The time for standing on principle was 3 years ago, or next year at the start of the new cycle. Today is about pragmatism - how close we can get to the desired outcome, and which of these parties is more interested in listening to your position moving forward. It should be abundantly clear that Harris is by a huge margin the better choice for your desired outcomes.

2 - The Israel operation in Gaza, that we all want to stop, is not something that can be just ended with the click of a button. A bunch of actors in that region are hell bent on killing each other, like when Hamas did genocide on Israel last year, and now we have multiple state actors moving armies against each other. The brain-dead premise that somehow Democrats "want genocide" makes it impossible to have a serious conversation.

If you don't vote for Harris over a mess in the Middle East that we didn't directly create and are not directly responsible for, and that the Biden administration is trying to solve even if it's too slow for your taste; and instead you act in favor of helping Trump who will absolutely empower Netanyahu to do whatever he wants, then not only are you directly voting against your own interests, but you are engaging in a level of dumb-fuckery of supreme proportions. And fucking all of us over hard while at it.

In short: By opposing Harris right at the finish line of the election cycle, you are going to inflict Trump's dictator regime and the runaway christo-fascist GOP on the entire planet, because you are dissatisfied with how mediocre Dems have been at trying to stop Israel. You think this makes you virtuous. It does not.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Kamala might fund genocide in Israel. But Trump will fund genocide in Israel, and genocide here.

We can be ideologically pure when we don’t have fascists at the doorstep. Thousands of children just FUCKING VANISHED during Trumps term. What’s going to happen during his second? Texas was (is?) putting barbed wire in the river on the fucking border. Trump will give free rein to murderous politicians (Texas is also about to execute another innocent man btw). People are going to die here.

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (25 children)

First and foremost, this isn't a 1000 year war. It's a bit over 100 years at most. The colonization of Palestine started around 100 years ago. Israel was founded in 1948.

Secondly, Kamala isn't working towards achieving shit. Her government is literally still sending weapons to Israel as Israel is shooting at UN peacekeepers, burning people alive, attacking five different countries, and much more worse.

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