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[–] auzy@lemmy.world 37 points 14 hours ago

People use steam because it's good service, and a good product.

In fact, they also gave Linux a boost

They also have things like cloud saving

Developers use them because apparently they have some awesome features too for things like multiplayer and such and a great API

[–] DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 29 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This has literally always been the case with Steam, the only difference is that people are told up front now. Things will likely continue to operate exactly the same as it has until now, I doubt Valve wants to disrupt the giant money train they have.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I would be surprised if it even was possible for them to change so that the games are bought. I suspect that would be quite complicated legally.

[–] CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's literally in the title that GOG does exactly that. Why would Steam's hands be legally tied if GOG's aren't?

[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 42 minutes ago

No, that isn't what GOG is doing.

GOG is still only licencing games to you. They do offer you the opportunity to download an offline installer though.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

As long as you understand the terms of your agreement with Steam as a platform, everything is fine. Physical media for games are outdated anyway, especially with frequent updates, patches, and DLC releases. Regarding older titles that are no longer supported, well, as the saying goes: "If buying isn't owing..."

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Here's another reminder to sign this initiative if you live in the EU.

[–] Scribble902@feddit.uk 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'd totally sign....if the Russian funded tory party hadn't decided we should leave because they were scared of the far right taking votes.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

Spread the word, then.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 35 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

I like GOG, but this is just weasel-words to take advantage of the ignorance of the public. Whether you receive the installs directly or not, you still don't own your games, you are just licensing them, same as Steam.

This doesn't tip the scales into the "this is wrong" territory for me, but I do think this kind of word manipulation exploiting an unknowledgeable public is a little bit slimy.

edit: I had a bit of knee-jerk reaction to the sensationalism of the headline; what GOG actually says is fine and doesn't imply anything beyond licensing in my eyes.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I think it is fair. When you buy games through GOG, you get the offline installer. Nobody can take that away from you.

When you buy games through Steam, you can only install them via the Steam client. If the Steam servers are offline, you cannot install your games. In theory, some games are without any DRM, and you can just zip them up, but even then that doesn't always work, and you shouldn't have to. That's not to take away from Steam, of course, it is great at what it does.

Providing an offline installer that works no matter what is as good as "owning" the game IMO, even if "technically" you are just purchasing a license to use the game.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

edit: I went and read what GOG itself actually says. The headline is slimy, GOG's disclosure is fine. I don't think they're implying anything beyond what they offer.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The headline is slimy

Are you referring to the use of the word "killshot"? Otherwise, the headline says exactly the same thing.

Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

No implication of outright ownership, just that they can't take away the offline installers. I mean, I guess it doesn't outright say "that you've already downloaded," but given the length, I'd say that's a passable omission.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

We don't have to do this. It's the juxtaposition of GOG's claim paired being intentionally paired with the steam disclaimer so as to present it as if an alternative.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I just like calling it "the kill shot", as though GOG is about to take all of Steam's market share some time next week.

[–] disdain@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

please let this be true it would be really funny

[–] Vintor@lemm.ee 12 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think "weasel words" is the right term here.

You own the GOG games like you own a book you bought, and like you don't own a DRM-crippled book, even though you might be entitled to read it under certain circumstances. The difference between downloading an installer and downloading a game on Steam is, the installer will continue to work even if GOG folds or decides they don't like you anymore. But if Steam blocks your account, all the games you bought are gone, and Steam is fully in the right to do so since you don't own their games.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 14 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

That's not true. You still only receive a license to play the game, you do not own it. Directly from GOG's website:

We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'license') to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.

Practically this means you cannot resell your GOG installer in the way you could resell a physical book.

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's fair I guess. But you can keep a backup of your GoG games in case the server goes down. With Steam that isn't possible.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 4 points 16 hours ago

Absolutely. GOG has a much better license and distribution model, but it's still a license.

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think OP is saying that, while you can buy a book to read it, you do not own the copyright to that book. They're saying it's basically the same idea with GOG.

The illustration does break down, but I think their point still stands.

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

You can resell, trade, give, lend a book you bought. You're just not allowed to do the same with any copies you've made. At least where I live

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[–] KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

The amount of people thinking they are getting ripped off by steam now is astounding.

They are the reason this step is incredibly necessary.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago

I mean I've always had an issue that digital goods could always be revoked/taken back. That's why I didn't buy things on steam until it became basically the only way (as consoles have less physical media). This is just a great reminder for the public that we're consistently loosing control over our digital lives.

I've been an advocate for forcing companies to change the wording for digital goofs to "lease" rather than "buy". Cause at the end of the day, no one owns their steam library.

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[–] bender223@lemmy.today 4 points 15 hours ago
[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Now if we could just have GOG Galaxy for Linux. It would make my life so much easier.

[–] davad@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Heroic Game Launcher is pretty cool. It does game save sync with GOG games too.

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